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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Revenge killings of the jury?

    I think any terrorist orginization would go bankrupt trying to execute every member of a jury as revenge for a guilty verdict againist their members.
    It only takes one member to hang a jury, or to refuse to allow a death sentence.

    An additional 12 jurors (2 male, 1D, 1L; 10 female, 5 D, 5 L) were afraid that the defendant would seek revenge against them, even though half of these jurors did not seek the ultimate punishment of death, but rather sentenced the defendant to a lesser punishment of life imprisonment.
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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    If for no other reason, to protect the judge and jury that will preside over this case, as they will likely become instant targets of al-Quaida.
    The same way we do for mob trials. This is nothing new.
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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Yes, but would you want to be on the jury that sentenced an al-Quaida operative to death?
    If I, as a juror decided the state's case warranted the death penalty - hell yes. As for feeling threatened, no more than I would being a juror at any trial. People seek revenge for verdicts for the smallest and the largest of issues and I could just as easily be hit by a bus on my way home.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It only takes one member to hang a jury, or to refuse to allow a death sentence.



    https://www.ajs.org/ajs/publications...ntonio_895.pdf
    Are they seriously scared? This man should be put to death.
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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Depends. If this entails training and contact with elements of al-Quaida, much like the cell in Canada caught today, are you in favor of a trial conducted in the same courtroom and manner as a drug dealer or a prostitution ring?

    When the crime involves a terrorist attack on the country in general, rather than violence toward specific citizens, it seems to fall into a very different category than what our court system is designed to handle.

    I'm not so sure this is a case for Judge Judy.

    Prosecution rings and drug dealers are generally not matters for the federal court, and generally not get the "A" team of prosecutors, ye of little faith in the American system. ie, Judy Judy is not a federal judge.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    No, no, no. I'm just stating that this will be very challenging from a number of standoints, including the financial burden of security detail. In fact, I'm not sure true security will be possible since the target zone for terrorists is the entire United States essentially.
    And that is different than what exists now?

    If you want to lead, lead by example.
    Using the rule of law is an important example.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Is the remaining suspect an American citizen or not? If he is, then he gets his Constitutional rights honored. People may hate that, but the ones that would like us to dispense with his rights are just doing exactly with Al Qaeda and other terrorist cells want us to do: begin to tear apart at the seams.

    I'm surprised that there even has to be an announcement proclaiming that it will be a civil trivial. Isn't that a given, if the person is an American? It's not up to the government to decide one way or another. It's written in stone in our Bill of Rights.

    It amazes me that such a statement flies right by the radar of so many people. Everyone is busy focusing on how the trial will go down, instead of the minutiae leading up to this point. They went on a manhunt and shooting spree in residential areas, killing the first suspect without habeas corpus or a trial. If our country had any honor and integrity left, they would have done everything in their human power to take him down and make him face our laws.

    If terrorists supposedly hate our freedoms so much, then we should inflict our freedoms on them as much as we can to show them up.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Of course they should. They can't mine a dead body for information.
    I don't believe they're going to get anything useful out of this skull full of mush. I will be very surprised if they get any actionable information out of him at all.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    If terrorists supposedly hate our freedoms so much, then we should inflict our freedoms on them as much as we can to show them up.
    There's a problem with that..... How did we end up taking down the Soviet Union?... We used their own system against them. These terrorists would love to see if they can do the same thing to us. Completely and totally overload our legal system with these trials. Make us spend obscene amounts of money we don't have to protect these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen during that trial. Then spend thousands of dollars a year to house them in our prison system. Hell, that might be a more efficient way to bring this nation down than bombing us into submission.

    Right now in George Ptton's this equation it's USA: 1 - Terrorists: 4. What equation is that, you ask? - "You don't win a war by dying for what you believe in. You win by making the other guy die for what he believes in."

    I'll be nice enough not to comment on what I believe this means about our willingness to naturalize people from other countries.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    I think this is a good decision. The federal conviction rate in high-profile terrorist trials is quite high and most of these defendants are spending life terms in super-max prisons.

    Most likely a trial change-of-venue request will be granted. Virginia is rumored a likely alternate venue.

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