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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So what do you propose we do instead?
    Depends. If this entails training and contact with elements of al-Quaida, much like the cell in Canada caught today, are you in favor of a trial conducted in the same courtroom and manner as a drug dealer or a prostitution ring?

    When the crime involves a terrorist attack on the country in general, rather than violence toward specific citizens, it seems to fall into a very different category than what our court system is designed to handle.

    I'm not so sure this is a case for Judge Judy.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    He is an american citizen.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Depends. If this entails training and contact with elements of al-Quaida, much like the cell in Canada caught today, are you in favor of a trial conducted in the same courtroom and manner as a drug dealer or a prostitution ring?

    When the crime involves a terrorist attack on the country in general, rather than violence toward specific citizens, it seems to fall into a very different category than what our court system is designed to handle.

    I'm not so sure this is a case for Judge Judy.
    How is it "Not what the court system was designed to handle".

    Essentially what he's done is murder.

    That's exactly what courts are for...

    Just because it's terrorism related doesn't mean the guy shouldn't get a trial... James Holmes killed alot more people than these brothers and he's getting a trial.

    What you've said here isn't really a proposition...

    What specifically would you do instead?

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Our court system is designed to handle citizens who commit such acts just fine. We have a history of doing so going all the way back. We deal with serial killers and mass murderers with a "cause", we can deal with this one.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    How is it "Not what the court system was designed to handle".

    Essentially what he's done is murder.

    That's exactly what courts are for...

    Just because it's terrorism related doesn't mean the guy shouldn't get a trial... James Holmes killed alot more people than these brothers and he's getting a trial.

    What you've said here isn't really a proposition...

    What specifically would you do instead?
    If there is a connection to a foreign terrorist group, it is an act of war against the United States. I understand that this isn't technically a country attacking the U.S. (although we know several countries support these organizations), but it doesn't fall into the same category as simply murder.

    I agree with not reading Miranda rights for that reason, and I would not have a problem is this was handled within a military tribunal.

    If for no other reason, to protect the judge and jury that will preside over this case, as they will likely become instant targets of al-Quaida.

    Would you want to be on that jury?

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Our court system is designed to handle citizens who commit such acts just fine. We have a history of doing so going all the way back. We deal with serial killers and mass murderers with a "cause", we can deal with this one.
    Yes, but would you want to be on the jury that sentenced an al-Quaida operative to death?

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is good news, I'm glad that Senator Lindsay Graham's opinion on this didn't prevail.


    The White House said Monday it will not treat the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon attack as an enemy combatant. White House press secretary Jay Carney said that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was charged Monday with using a weapon of mass destruction to kill and injure people, would be tried as a terrorist in the federal court system. "This is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go,” Carney said a Monday’s White House press briefing. Carney said the department of Justice and Attorney General Eric Holder, as well the entire national security team, support not trying the terror suspect as an enemy combatant. Number of Republicans had called on the Obama administration to declare Tsarnaev an enemy combatant and put him in military detention in order to gather intelligence from him. They argue this would allow the goverment to gather more information from Tsarnaev for a longer period of time. The government has yet to read Tsarnaev his Miranda rights, and Carney on Monday declined to comment on how long the Justice Department might question Tsarnaev under the public safety exemption from Miranda.
    Read more: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant - The Hill's Video
    The bastardization of the term enemy combatant as a cover for a group of men to be held as unlawful combatants but covered by neither the Geneva Convention or any international or state side legal system ends to end. Good to see we are turning our backs on it and I can see why a few die hard Republicans want to see the term continued if for no other reason than to say, 'you did it too', and justify the use during the BushII administration.

    It will cost millions to try him and millions if he was kept in a military facility. Seems to me to be a push either way. Any military tribunal held will be in the news as much as any federal court trial, any lighting rod affect still holds.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This is good news, I'm glad that Senator Lindsay Graham's opinion on this didn't prevail.


    The White House said Monday it will not treat the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon attack as an enemy combatant.

    White House press secretary Jay Carney said that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was charged Monday with using a weapon of mass destruction to kill and injure people, would be tried as a terrorist in the federal court system.

    "This is absolutely the right way to go and the appropriate way to go,” Carney said a Monday’s White House press briefing.

    Carney said the department of Justice and Attorney General Eric Holder, as well the entire national security team, support not trying the terror suspect as an enemy combatant.

    Number of Republicans had called on the Obama administration to declare Tsarnaev an enemy combatant and put him in military detention in order to gather intelligence from him. They argue this would allow the goverment to gather more information from Tsarnaev for a longer period of time.

    The government has yet to read Tsarnaev his Miranda rights, and Carney on Monday declined to comment on how long the Justice Department might question Tsarnaev under the public safety exemption from Miranda.

    Read more: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant - The Hill's Video
    I agree with the decision. Under the Laws of War, under which the American Sheikh was properly designated a combatant (his command-and-control function within Al Qaeda in Yemen) and appropriately targeted, the suspect in the terrorism case does not fit the customary definition of a combatant. That does not mean that he cannot or will not be brought to justice.

    I have confidence that the U.S. justice system is sufficiently robust to handle such cases. Moreover, I fully expect that he will ultimately be held fully accountable for his actions.

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Our court system is designed to handle citizens who commit such acts just fine. We have a history of doing so going all the way back. We deal with serial killers and mass murderers with a "cause", we can deal with this one.
    There is a difference between a typical lone criminal and a cartel, mafia, terrorist cell or gang member criminal. That key difference is that they have organizations behind them owing them extreme allegience for imimidation/retribution. These criminal organizations help obtain/maintain their power by witness, judge, prosecutor and jury intimidation/retribution. Whether this junior Jihadist has that level of backup is anyone's guess, but it is a distinct possibility that those involved with our justice system, in his case, will be seen as "key infidels" well deserving of Allah's ultimate revenge.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: White House: Boston suspect will not be treated as combatant

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There is a difference between a typical lone criminal and a cartel, mafia, terrorist cell or gang member criminal. That key difference is that they have organizations behind them owing them extreme allegience for imimidation/retribution. These criminal organizations help obtain/maintain their power by witness, judge, prosecutor and jury intimidation/retribution. Whether this junior Jihadist has that level of backup is anyone's guess, but it is a distinct possibility that those involved with our justice system, in his case, will be seen as "key infidels" well deserving of Allah's ultimate revenge.
    Revenge killings of the jury?

    I think any terrorist orginization would go bankrupt trying to execute every member of a jury as revenge for a guilty verdict againist their members.

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