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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    all religions have a degree of hate.
    Everyone has a degree of hate.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't disagree with much of what you said, but it's based on the content of the protest. I too agree that what they do is despicable and the lowest of the low, however, I'm glad your Supreme Court doesn't/didn't make that judgement. Our Supreme Court has been more intrusive into the content of free speech and I wish it held similar views to yours.
    Speech is incredibly important to protect, so much so that we've already encroached past the line in a subtle way here. The ability to stand up for speech we detest is just as important as any duty U.S. citizen have, the actions of the WBC are what I think need to be prohibited and at the time, the action of picketing the funerals of strangers during the ceremonies, my only issue. To be honest, the court shouldn't even be needed, and the WBC has been exposed as a scam, they are an "incite and sue" organization, they want people to violate their civil rights and have a decent idea of where the line is, they provoke until they get shut down then take it to court.

    They are detestable people.
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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Speech is incredibly important to protect, so much so that we've already encroached past the line in a subtle way here. The ability to stand up for speech we detest is just as important as any duty U.S. citizen have, the actions of the WBC are what I think need to be prohibited and at the time, the action of picketing the funerals of strangers during the ceremonies, my only issue. To be honest, the court shouldn't even be needed, and the WBC has been exposed as a scam, they are an "incite and sue" organization, they want people to violate their civil rights and have a decent idea of where the line is, they provoke until they get shut down then take it to court.

    They are detestable people.
    The alternative, unfortunately, is something like a recent ruling out of our Supreme Court where they determined, unbelievably, that even if something is true, it can be considered hate speech if it's intent is to offend.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Don't the westboro baptist church have any shame? I thought scum would at least have shame.
    They have vicarious shame for everybody else. How about that?


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The alternative, unfortunately, is something like a recent ruling out of our Supreme Court where they determined, unbelievably, that even if something is true, it can be considered hate speech if it's intent is to offend.
    Now that's just wrong. Truth in American SCOTUS rulings has always been held to be an absolute defense, especially in defamation cases, hate speech is something I do not believe should be a crime, though the speech itself is disgusting and IMO the speaker should be judged by individuals(i.e. social consequences), not a court of law.
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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Now that's just wrong. Truth in American SCOTUS rulings has always been held to be an absolute defense, especially in defamation cases, hate speech is something I do not believe should be a crime, though the speech itself is disgusting and IMO the speaker should be judged by individuals(i.e. social consequences), not a court of law.
    Most people in Canada agree with you and the court has been widely ridiculed for its ruling. It wouldn't surprise me if it's revisited at a future time and corrected.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

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    I'm very happy to see this. If unions want to improve their image, there are ways. This particular one is a great one. And that they compromised with Hostess is another. Maybe unions are seeing that working with people instead of against them better serves their end game.
    Now if we could just get our Republican congress to follow suit.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Most people in Canada agree with you and the court has been widely ridiculed for its ruling. It wouldn't surprise me if it's revisited at a future time and corrected.
    This makes sense to me, if one is not absolutely free to speak their mind they are not absolutely free. No one should have to self censor in fear of legal consequences provided they are not using speech to directly infringe upon the rights of another(such as sexual harrassment, general harrassment, etc.).
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    Can we go back and revisit your assertion about christian and judgement???
    sweet irony

    why is it that christians get their feelings hurt when you poo poo their religion but when it comes to politics, no hurt feelings card emerges?
    After all, they choose BOTH a religion to follow and a political side.

    I never got that.

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    Simple, because conservatives don't treat political philosophy as religion....Progressive/Liberals don't really believe in God, so they treat their ideology as a religion.
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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Simple, because conservatives don't treat political philosophy as religion....Progressive/Liberals don't really believe in God, so they treat their ideology as a religion.
    wtf?

    This post still smells like your ass being that that is apparently where you pulled this from.
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