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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This is why I disagree with the courts on the issue. Yes, WBC has a right to free speach and as detestible and absolutely horrid as their speech is, it must be protected.

    Here is where I think the line should have been drawn.........and in accordance with many SCOTUS tests established in the last century.
    1) Time/Place/Manner - saying "we disagree with homosexuality and feel in our hearts that soldier deaths are a punsihment" is a far cry from "Thank God for dead soldiers" or "God hates fags" during a time of sadness, i.e., the burial of a loved one.
    - Time - During that mourning period
    - Place - Cemetary, which is a private establishment. As well the family is paying for the funeral, it is at that time "their space"
    - Manner - Such that it could cause a situation of violent confrontation. (I know if I lost a loved one and someone picketed their funeral I'd be ready to tear their head off.....literally)
    2) Fighting words; The doctrine specifically states that violence is not subject to legal enforcement, and speech is not protected should it become such that the average person upon hearing it would be compelled to such anger that they would engage in violence. If pissing on the funeral of a loved one doesn't meet that I don't know what does.
    3) Is it SLAPPS protected? SLAPPS being(Serious, Literary, Artistic, Political, philisophical, or Scientific) value, anything that meets SLAPPS is absolutely protected, but that which appeals to a prurient interest as defined by the average person withing a community which fails the test is much less protected. To me, picketing a funeral is too low to meet any basic standard of protection.
    Snyder wasn't even aware they were protesting his son's funeral until he heard about it on the news.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Snyder wasn't even aware they were protesting his son's funeral until he heard about it on the news.
    That's one case of many.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    That's one case of many.
    that was the case reviewed at the supreme, I believe

    Snyder v. Phelps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    that was the case reviewed at the supreme, I believe

    Snyder v. Phelps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    May be, I never remembered the name. However many of the funerals did involve knowledge of the WBC's presence during the proceedings.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Then fine, let them protest and tell the whole world that the victims the families are burying are going to hell....

    But not in their friggen' faces, at their friggen' church, during their friggen' funerals, while they are friggen' grieving. The first Amendment does not apply to screwing over someone else's right to privacy, and they deserve a good ass kicking for it.

    Rights have limitations and responsibilities. You have the right to go anywhere you want, but if you break into my home, you get shot. By the same token, if Westboro Baptist Church tries to disrupt a funeral, then you can bet your ass that the Supreme Court will uphold the rights of the victims and their families to defend their right to privacy. Let the union and bikers put their stamp of disapproval on their sick asses. And I pray to God.... Not their God, but the real God, who despises these assholes.... that it hurts like the place they are going to when they die.
    Eight Supreme Court justices disagree with you, already ruling that Westboro has the 1st amendment right to protest funerals the way they do. That doesn't mean they can "disrupt" the funeral, which to my knowledge they don't. The Supreme Court, both the ideologically left and right, ruled on the right to protest, not the content of the protest. You should be happy that your Supreme Court doesn't make value judgements on the content of protest - I wish Canada had the same common sense justices.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    To me, picketing a funeral is too low to meet any basic standard of protection.
    I don't disagree with much of what you said, but it's based on the content of the protest. I too agree that what they do is despicable and the lowest of the low, however, I'm glad your Supreme Court doesn't/didn't make that judgement. Our Supreme Court has been more intrusive into the content of free speech and I wish it held similar views to yours.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    does someone have hurt feelings?
    Not at all. I don't get my feelings hurt by anonymous internet bullies that I don't even know in real life...But I do call it like I see it. See, most people that act like you do on the net have serious issues with interaction in real life, and most likely are virtual loners that find some sort of sick satisfaction through instigation, and dumb ass commentary that in most cases has nothing to do with any particular topic they post in, but rather is meant to intentionally inflame others. They in most cases are generally losers that have real issues from their childhood, either they were bullied, or suffer from some disorder like depression that causes them to lash out. So, are my feelings hurt? No sir, far from, I only feel pity for you.
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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not at all. I don't get my feelings hurt by anonymous internet bullies that I don't even know in real life...But I do call it like I see it. See, most people that act like you do on the net have serious issues with interaction in real life, and most likely are virtual loners that find some sort of sick satisfaction through instigation, and dumb ass commentary that in most cases has nothing to do with any particular topic they post in, but rather is meant to intentionally inflame others. They in most cases are generally losers that have real issues from their childhood, either they were bullied, or suffer from some disorder like depression that causes them to lash out. So, are my feelings hurt? No sir, far from, I only feel pity for you.

    Can we go back and revisit your assertion about christian and judgement???
    sweet irony

    why is it that christians get their feelings hurt when you poo poo their religion but when it comes to politics, no hurt feelings card emerges?
    After all, they choose BOTH a religion to follow and a political side.

    I never got that.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    If WBC has the right to picket funerals, do we not all have the right to picket them...?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Teamsters aim to shield Boston funeral from Westboro picketers

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not for you to judge.
    LOL we might be able to take your comment seriously if you didn't judge people yourself.

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