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    Re: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers

    their plates read terrorista???? Lol these guys are big time.
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    nyt yesterday

    With one suspect dead and the other captured and lying grievously wounded in a hospital, the investigation into the Boston Marathon bombings turned on Saturday to questions about the men’s motives, and to the significance of an overseas trip one of them took last year.

    Federal investigators are hurrying to review a visit that one of the suspected bombers made to Chechnya and Dagestan, predominantly Muslim republics in the north Caucasus region of Russia. Both have active militant separatist movements. Members of Congress expressed concern about the F.B.I.’s handling of a request from Russia before the trip to examine the man’s possible links to extremist groups in the region.

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who died early Friday after a shootout with the police in Watertown, Mass., spent six months in Dagestan in 2012, and analysts said that sojourn might have marked a crucial step in his alleged path toward the bombings.

    The investigators began scrutinizing the events in the months and years before the fatal attack, as Boston began to feel like itself for the first time in nearly a week.

    The significance of the trip was magnified late Friday when the F.B.I. disclosed in a statement that in 2011 “a foreign government” — now acknowledged by officials to be Russia — asked for information about Tamerlan. The request was “based on information that he was a follower of radical Islam and a strong believer, and that he had changed drastically since 2010 as he prepared to leave the United States for travel to the country’s region to join unspecified underground groups.”

    The senior law enforcement official said the Russians feared he could be a risk, and “they had something on him and were concerned about him, and him traveling to their region.”

    Chechen extremists pose a greater threat to Russia than they do to the United States, counterterrorism specialists say, though some of the groups have had ties to Al Qaeda.

    But the F.B.I. never followed up on Tamerlan once he returned, a senior law enforcement official acknowledged on Saturday, adding that its investigation did not turn up anything and it did not have the legal authority to keep tabs on him. Investigators are now scrambling to review that trip, and learn about any extremists who might have influenced, trained or directed Tamerlan while he was there.
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    Re: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I think its a bit premature to be particularly outraged about what did or did not happen here and whether it could have realistically been prevented.

    Give it a few weeks for more information to come out about who was really behind this (if other than what we now see) and what the motivates were. Just like reporting on the news before you have the facts leads one astray; so does jumping to conclusions about a small set of facts when there is so much that we do not know.

    This issue could be far more (or less) complex than we currently think it is. Its hard to have an intelligent discussion now.
    I don't think it's even a little bit premature to be outraged about this incident.
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    Re: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Honestly, I would not be surprised if we weren't getting the straight scoop. The last thing our economy needs is fear based on terrorist attacks. To think we're privy to the down-and-dirty-skinny is probably wishful.
    Not to mention the political ramications for the politicos who have been claiming that the war on terror is over and the enemy has been destroyed.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers

    nbc is certainly NOT rushing anywhere

    but they're asking

    david gregory's LEAD question, "was there a foreign connection to terrorism, what do we know?"

    the peacock's justice correspondent, pete williams:

    I think that’s the biggest question for investigators now is, A, you know, why did he turn this way? But, B, where did he get his expertise in explosives? Where did he practice them? It seems really unlikely that these two bombs successfully were detonated without some practice runs. Where did he learn to do that? Where did he practice? Those are the big questions.
    April 21: Deval Patrick, Mike Rogers, Dick Durbin, Pete Williams, Michael Leiter, Michael Chertoff, Tom Brokaw, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Peggy Noonan, Jeffrey Goldberg - Meet the Press - Transcripts | NBC News

    cbs news last nite asked raised the exact same concerns

    fyi, the older of the brothers, tamerlan, named after the great warrior, got in pretty serious trouble with the law in 09 for hitting his girlfriend, a convert to islam

    i also need to make a correction---the younger brother became a us citizen on 9-11-12, not 2009

    mike rogers, republican chair of house intelligence, told david that when tamerlan traveled to russia in 09 the then 22 year old used a false name

    david was very concerned, "did the fbi miss something," asking guest after guest

    david gregory---the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, the times square bomb which woulda worked except it failed to detonate, the 16 incidents in ny...

    he brought on dick durbin, they got very political, agitprop knows no rest

    do you need more money ("is that a call in fact for re-examination of whether additional resources are needed?")?

    will this hurt immigration reform?

    enemy combatant status for the killer, "you oppose that?"

    "you bet i do"

    during the panel, brokaw took a shot at drones---"i think we also have to examine the use of drones"

    as if any of this were obama's fault

    the second panel discussion was devoted to our domestic gun issue, a culture of violence...

    all of the above is mere fyi---you very evidently need to clue in

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    STEPHANOPOULOS: But let's talk more broadly about the terrorist threat we're facing right now and how we deal with it. (inaudible) Martha Raddatz about the possibility of a connection to overseas groups or an al Qaeda connection. No evidence of that yet. But that could be the nightmare scenario.

    [Chief Global Affairs Correspondence for ABC Martha] RADDATZ: It is a nightmare scenario, and that is where they're focused now. They're focused on whether there is an overseas connection. And an overseas connection in terms of whether the older brother got any training there. I think we have to talk about these missing years in a way.

    The Russians alerted the U.S. that he was radicalized, that he was involved in groups, somewhere over there, they believed. That was 2011, when the FBI investigated --

    STEPHANOPOULOS: At the request of the Russians.

    RADDATZ: At the request of the Russians. But then he goes back. So what happened before 2011 to alert the Russians? Was it visiting internet sites? Was it a specific group they were concerned about that he knew they were communicating with? And I think those missing years are what they're going to concentrate on, and whether that continued, whether he got trained by someone who right now is training someone else to do the same thing.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: And David Remnick, you've spent a lot of time in Russia for "The Washington Post" and everybody's going to be looking at these six months. We know his parents went back and lived in Russia for some time. From the mother we've also heard that she says the FBI was on top of Tamerlan for several years.

    [The New Yorker's Dave] REMNICK: Well the parents moved back to Dagestan in order to, because the father wants to die there. He's very, very sick. That's the circumstance as far as we know and we have no link between the parents and anything like jihadist interests at all. In fact they seem to be utterly shocked and in disbelief.

    Now the older brother has been visiting jihadist websites, I spent Friday looking at his YouTube list and they are extremely frightening, ominous websites, pro-al Qaeda. There was one preacher that's going on and on about the evils of the magic of Harry Potter. All kinds of deluded things that he was involved in.

    The Twitter feed of the younger brother hints of this kind of thing as well. So there's no question that they weren't merely religious, they were, there's no sin in being religious obviously, but interested in jihadist struggle, global jihad is now the slogan in that region, in Dagestan, Ingushetia and Chechnya.
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    Re: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers

    time mag, today

    "why the fbi and the white house will face hard questions about their boston bombing interviews"

    swampland's conclusion:

    But FISA court judges don’t often reject warrant requests. And if the foreign government thought or knew that Tamerlan was traveling abroad to associate with “underground groups” that could have been enough. Which raises the question how hard, if at all, the FBI and prosecutors in Boston tried to get a FISA warrant.
    Why the FBI, White House Will Face Hard Questions About Their Boston Bombing Interviews | TIME.com

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    the lady's look:

    Russian authorities warned the FBI in early 2011 that suspected bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev may have been a follower of “radical Islam,” a revelation that raised new questions in Congress on Saturday about whether the Boston Marathon attacks that killed three and wounded more than 170 could have been prevented.

    A senior congressional aide privy to the Boston Marathon terror investigation confirmed Saturday that the FBI received the warning after Tsarnaev’s apparently suspicious activities caught the attention of Russian authorities keeping close surveillance on militant Islamist groups in the Caucasus region of the former Soviet Union.

    “The FBI had this guy on the radar and somehow he fell off,” said the congressional aide, who said oversight committees on Capitol Hill are seeking answers from counterterrorism officials. “We heard for several days leading up to this there was no intelligence. Now we know there could have been intelligence.”
    FBI was warned 2 years ago of alleged bomber's radical shift - Metro - The Boston Globe

    boston's (dem) congressmen, stephen lynch and ed markey:

    US Representative Stephen Lynch, whose district includes parts of Boston, said Saturday that he has a number of questions for US and Russian officials about what they knew about the brothers, and when. “These are two relatively young men who don’t seem to have the ability to finance what I see going on,” Lynch said in an interview. “They seem to be very well supplied. How do these type of individuals like that get the training and resources to conduct an operation like this?”

    Lynch, who sits on a congressional oversight panel on terrorist financing, says another key question is how the alleged terrorists became radicalized in the first place. “Did that happen with direct foreign assistance, or were there mentors who guided them in this operation and inspired them?” he said.

    Lynch, a Democrat who is running in the special election for a Senate seat, said investigators are also scrambling to learn more from the Russian government about why Tamerlan Tsarnaev gave them concern in 2011. “What was the source of their inquiry? What suspicions drove that? It might have been his associations with individuals there. Were [Russian authorities] forthcoming with the FBI?”

    In response to written questions, Lynch’s primary opponent, Representative Edward J. Markey, whose district includes Watertown, said he has similar questions, including “whether the bombers had help in their deadly plans, why they struck our country, and what we can do to thwart future attacks.”
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    Re: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Our worst nightmare is a handful of folk who can kill up to what 3-5 people/event? You have some rather calm nightmares.
    You are ignoring how many were horribly injured.

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    Re: FBI Hunts Terror 'Sleeper Cell' Linked to Tsarnaev Brothers

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    nbc is certainly NOT rushing anywhere

    but they're asking

    david gregory's LEAD question, "was there a foreign connection to terrorism, what do we know?"

    the peacock's justice correspondent, pete williams:



    April 21: Deval Patrick, Mike Rogers, Dick Durbin, Pete Williams, Michael Leiter, Michael Chertoff, Tom Brokaw, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Peggy Noonan, Jeffrey Goldberg - Meet the Press - Transcripts | NBC News

    cbs news last nite asked raised the exact same concerns

    fyi, the older of the brothers, tamerlan, named after the great warrior, got in pretty serious trouble with the law in 09 for hitting his girlfriend, a convert to islam

    i also need to make a correction---the younger brother became a us citizen on 9-11-12, not 2009

    mike rogers, republican chair of house intelligence, told david that when tamerlan traveled to russia in 09 the then 22 year old used a false name

    david was very concerned, "did the fbi miss something," asking guest after guest

    david gregory---the shoe bomber, the underwear bomber, the times square bomb which woulda worked except it failed to detonate, the 16 incidents in ny...

    he brought on dick durbin, they got very political, agitprop knows no rest

    do you need more money ("is that a call in fact for re-examination of whether additional resources are needed?")?

    will this hurt immigration reform?

    enemy combatant status for the killer, "you oppose that?"

    "you bet i do"

    during the panel, brokaw took a shot at drones---"i think we also have to examine the use of drones"

    as if any of this were obama's fault

    the second panel discussion was devoted to our domestic gun issue, a culture of violence...

    all of the above is mere fyi---you very evidently need to clue in
    You choose to rely upon the scripts of the talking heads from two of the most unreliable and politically dense "news" orgs in our nation and you rely on them for accuracy? Good reporting/analysis? What's next, Bat Boy did it! (Enquirer reference for the uninformed)?

    I'll repeat what others have been trying to get across to you - it's too soon to know any of this with certainty. The info the agencies have been collecting, revealing, is not going to be fully available to us yet, and it may be some time before that happens. The bits and pieces these talking heads are playing with are either outright speculations made up to advance the news cycle or bits and pieces of the picture of the three blind men describing the elephant.
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