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Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

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On the last day of testimony before the prosecution rests in the murder trial of abortionist Kermit Gosnell, a former worker at Gosnell's clinic testified that she saw one late-term baby who survived an abortion "swimming" in a toilet and "trying to get out."

Kareema Cross, a “medical assistant” who worked at Gosnell’s Women’s Medical Society clinic for four-and-a-half years, testified in a Philadelphia court today, telling of the horrors of babies who survived abortions only to have their necks snipped with scissors.

“Did you ever see those babies move?” asked Prosecutor Joanne Pescatore.

“Yes, once in the toilet,” said Cross.

The baby “was like swimming,” she said. “Basically, trying to get out.”

Adrienne Moton, an employee at the clinic, then took the baby and snipped the back of its neck while its mother was still in the room.
Cross told the jury that when Shayquana Abrams came into the clinic in July 2008 she was pregnant, “and she was big.”

“That was the largest baby I ever saw,” Cross said.

Gosnell Trial Witness: Baby Abortion Survivor Was 'Swimming' in Toilet 'Trying to Get Out' | CNS News

this holocaust in philly is a great deal more than just a story about abortion, far more substantial than this egregious example of media bias

it is one of the most repulsive cases of anti-black racism america has seen in many years

it involves major drug sales of the most dangerous substances, the hoarding and perhaps laundering of cash to avoid taxation, the serial transfer of vd from patient to patient

untrained 15 year olds were used to adminster anesthetics

most significantly, dr kermit gosnell's practices demonstrate that late term or third trimester abortion is regularly and routinely a monstrous business

and one which, for the most crass of political reasons, the president of the united states CANNOT condemn

why had the executive editor of the washington post never heard of kermit gosnell until after kirsten powers (dailybeast) went national in usatoday late last week?

this wednesday, savanah guthrie asked obama to his face on nbc's today

Obama Talks About Gosnell Trial | NBC 10 Philadelphia

this is a major story with national policy implications which deserves a lot more coverage than some fat radio talk show host calling some unknown college student a slut'

and america deserves answers to questions about the use of scissors, the crushing of skulls and the use of super inducers that cause third trimester abortion patients to rain fetuses in buckets of blood

no?
 
Not a lick of difference between these people and the Boston bombers.
 
Grand Jury: Abortion Clinic Toilet Lifted to "Get the Fetuses out of the Pipes"

According to the grand jury report in the case, clinic workers testified that babies often expelled from their mothers into the toilet and that, in at least one instance, the toilet was lifted from the floor to “get the fetuses out of the pipes.”

In the grand jury report on the case, released in January 2011, many pregnant women were given drugs to induce labor. According to employee Latosha Lewis “one or two babies fell out of patients each night. They dropped on lounge chairs, on the floor, and often in the toilet.”

The report continues: “James Johnson, who supposedly cleaned the clinic and bagged its infectious waste, confirmed Lewis’s account. He testified that sometimes patients ‘miscarried or whatever it was’ into the toilet and clogged it.”

“He described how he had to lift the toilet so that someone else – he said it was too disgusting for him – could get the fetuses out of the pipes,” reads the grand jury report.

on monday, april 15, the executive editor of the washington post stated that he had NEVER HEARD of kermit barron gosnell until the previous thursday nite, which is the day kirsten powers of the dailybeast appeared in usatoday with her game changing column, "we've forgotten what belongs on page one"

indeed, on that very thursday the post put out that the reason it had never mentioned, not once, the doctor who gave the 15 year old anesthesiologist only to women of color (with deadly consequences) was principally because we don't do local crime

Is media bias to blame for lack of Gosnell coverage? - The Washington Post

Philadelphia abortion clinic horror: K Powers

Washington Post Reporter: Gosnell Murders Just a "Local Crime Story" | LifeNews.com

shame
 
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Wow, that's some really horrid stuff
 
No words to express just how repulsive and disgusting Gosnell is.
 
No words to express just how repulsive and disgusting Gosnell is.


He's a hero for the left. Why do you think there is no lamestream media coverage?
 
He's a hero for the left. Why do you think there is no lamestream media coverage?

Quit that stupid **** - no one is supporting anything he's done.

That's like saying people fought for Jeffery Dahmer's right to create zombies.

Are you capable of realizing this?
 
No words to express just how repulsive and disgusting Gosnell is.

yeah, it's actually amazing people continued to work in that environment
 
He's a hero for the left. Why do you think there is no lamestream media coverage?

I don't think he's a "hero" to the left.

But it's true that the mainstream media shamefully suppressed the news on his trial as long as they could to further a political agenda, which is contemptible.
 
I wouldn't think that a baby a few hours old could swim. Perhaps I am reading her statement wrong, but the rest of the article is appalling and disgusting.
 
Am I the only one who finds the claims a bit absurd and fantastic? Flushing late term babies is not going to work. Babies do not swim right after birth. Is any of the claims on that supposed news site even possible? They sound like something an idiot would make up.
 
I've seen some horrible things in my life. Mass graves, horrid injuries, fellow servicemembers dead, and none of it has ever made me want to throw up. I'm not trying to be a drama queen here. I honestly had to stand up, bend over at the waste, and take some deep breaths after reading this. How horrible this story is. It truly breaks my heart to read this.
 
This thread is just one more bit of proof that the moral fascists who want to ban abortion don't care about babies. All they care about is partisan attacks
 
I wouldn't think that a baby a few hours old could swim. Perhaps I am reading her statement wrong, but the rest of the article is appalling and disgusting.
Well, it's not exactly a study we can do is it? What normal person wants to do a study on if a baby can swim right after birth? THE BABY SHOULDN'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT DOING THAT.
 
If only the American people cared as much about these babies as they did about Caylee Anthony.
 
Am I the only one who finds the claims a bit absurd and fantastic? Flushing late term babies is not going to work. Babies do not swim right after birth. Is any of the claims on that supposed news site even possible? They sound like something an idiot would make up.

According to the site, this is testimony given during the case. Not a story they picked up.
 
Testimony does not make fact. In this case I cannot even imagine the testimony being possible.
Testimony under oath is considered fact until proven otherwise. It is testimony that puts many criminals away is it not?
 
Well, it's not exactly a study we can do is it? What normal person wants to do a study on if a baby can swim right after birth? THE BABY SHOULDN'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT DOING THAT.

Actually we do know you do have to learn to swim and newborns do not have the muscle development or coordination to swim. We also know that you can plug a toilet with a turd so you would never get a conscious baby to flush into the pipes. It sounds like something a first grader would come up with as a lie.
 
Testimony under oath is considered fact until proven otherwise. It is testimony that puts many criminals away is it not?

It can put people away, but in a case where there is such a fevered level of emotion driving it, I doubt embellishing or lying is too far fetched to believe.
 
Actually we do know you do have to learn to swim and newborns do not have the muscle development or coordination to swim. We also know that you can plug a toilet with a turd so you would never get a conscious baby to flush into the pipes. It sounds like something a first grader would come up with as a lie.
Can you cite the study that shows where scientists have submerged babys in water to see if they attempt to flail their arms? You know, kind of like in the liquid environment they just left in their mothers stomach? Also, haven't you ever seen a preemie? You could definitely get a very small baby to at least get down the toilet.
If you don't mind, I'd like to stop debating the last issue. Not really something I care to rehash over and over. I'll debate the rest with you all day long. Just not that.
 
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