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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I didn't know that, thanks. However if there wasn't the need to try and hide abortion, to stigmatize women that got them, and if clinics didn't suffer (in some state) from performing them, then there wouldn't have been the need to try and relax inspections and regulations.
    you're kinda assuming that there was actually a need to relax the regulations in such a way

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you're kinda assuming that there was actually a need to relax the regulations in such a way
    I didn't assume anything. I went by what was posted.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    However continue to make abortion more and more difficult to get, or outlaw it....and this is all you will have.
    Gosnell's clinic had ZERO regulation - ZERO inspections. Your logic is failing.


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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Gosnell's clinic had ZERO regulation - ZERO inspections. Your logic is failing.
    Untrue

    There were plenty of regulations.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Untrue

    There were plenty of regulations.
    No one from DOH was able to tell us who decided to exclude abortion clinics
    from meaningful oversight that would protect patient safety, or why such a decision was
    made. Nor did the jurors get a satisfactory answer as to why abortion clinics are under
    DOH’s Division of Home Health (which oversees agencies that provide care in people’s
    houses), rather than the more appropriate Division of Acute and Ambulatory Care. Or
    why, on DOH’s website, even on the page that lists the types of facilities overseen by the
    Division of Home Health, abortion clinics are not even mentioned.
    The abhorrent conditions and practices inside Gosnell’s clinic are directly
    attributable to the Pennsylvania Health Department’s refusal to treat abortion clinics as
    ambulatory surgical facilities.
    But even if DOH’s position with respect to whether abortion clinics are ASFs
    were reasonable – which it is not – that interpretation would not excuse the department’s
    abdication of its duty to afford women who go to these clinics the same types of
    safeguards that plastic surgery patients receive. This is because – whether a facility is
    called an ambulatory surgical facility, a hospital, or a freestanding abortion clinic – the
    legislature with the Abortion Control Act has charged DOH with the duty to write and
    enforce regulations that protect the health and safety of women undergoing abortion
    procedures
    The Grand Jury asked several DOH employees, attorneys as well as those charged
    with overseeing abortion facilities, why the department does not treat abortion clinics as
    ASFs when the language of the Health Care Facilities Acts is so clear. Their
    unsatisfactory answers left us bewildered.
    The Department of Health’s decades-long neglect of its duty to ensure the health
    and safety of women undergoing medical procedures in abortion clinics is in stark
    contrast to its policies and practices with respect to procedures performed in other types
    of health care facilities
    On November 24, 2009, Gosnell sent a fax to the department, followed by a letter
    addressed to Staloski, notifying DOH that Karnamaya Mongar had died following an
    abortion at his clinic. (Gosnell’s letter inaccurately stated that the second day of her
    procedure was November 18.) Darlene Augustine, a registered nurse and health quality
    administrator in the department’s Division of Home Health, received the fax.
    Augustine, who supervises surveyors who respond to and investigate complaints
    at health care facilities, testified that she immediately notified her boss, Cynthia Boyne.
    (Boyne had become director of DOH’s Division of Home Health in 2007, when Staloski
    was promoted to head the Bureau of Community Licensure and Certification.) Augustine
    said that she told Boyne on November 25 that DOH should immediately go out to the
    clinic and initiate an investigation. Augustine acknowledged that she generally had the
    authority to send surveyors out to investigate – and she often did so within an hour of
    receiving a notice of a serious event such as a death. She testified, however, that she felt
    she needed Director Boyne’s approval because Gosnell’s notice involved an abortion
    clinic.
    Boyne did not give her approval. Instead, she went to the bureau director,
    Staloski, to discuss the matter. Augustine explained that abortion clinics were treated
    differently from other medical facilities because Staloski had for years overseen the
    department’s handling of complaints and inspections – or lack of inspections – relating to
    abortion clinics.
    yeah ...

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    yeah ...
    None of those quotes said anything about there being no regulations

    Try again. Try not to fail so hard
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It was a point I chose to make," relevant to the topic.

    I didn't see anyone objecting to investigation and due process of the charnel house.
    Have you complained at all about the lack of oversight on any later term abortion clinic? Why babies would have their feet cut off, for example, and placed in jars?

    When 'pro choice' adherents won't face the fact that babies, and at least one mother, have been murdered, that venereal diseases have been spread thorough filthy conditions, that babies feet were being kept in jars as trophies, etc., but instead argue about 'pro choice' and fear that their right to abortion on demand be limited if regulations are followed, then something is amiss in their entire argument. It seems they have lost the ability to see clearly between right and wrong, moral and immoral, and blindly cling to their position, no matter what the possible consequences.

    We see the consequences but they can' t seem to deal with them. But wouldn't it eventual come to this, once the value of human life is minimized?

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I didn't assume anything. I went by what was posted.
    Are you familiar what went on there? Doctor Kermit Gosnell's little shop of horrors - Patrick D Hahn - Open Salon

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    My girl Lila Rose does a great job debating Tamara Holder and her ugly facial expressions. (These are tweets about the debate - scroll down a bit for the video.)

    ‘Some nerve’: Tamara Holder attacks Lila Rose, gets schooled by Katie Pavlich | Twitchy


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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    phoenix makes five

    wilmington, the bronx, dc, 3801 lancaster and...

    The pro-life organization Live Action released its third secretly recorded video Thursday, revealing a counselor at a Phoenix, Ariz. late-term abortion clinic explaining that if a baby is born alive after a failed abortion, the clinic would not assist it, leaving it to die.

    In the video, a Live Action undercover investigator, who is 23.5 weeks pregnant, presses a clinic worker identified as Linda at the Family Planning Associates Medical Group about whether doctors would assist the fetus if it is born alive.

    “Sometimes they are [alive], yeah,” Linda says in the video. “But it doesn’t, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it will come out whole. ‘Cause they use suction, plus they use instruments so sometimes the fetuses don’t come out, you know, it’s not complete.”

    “They will not resuscitate,” Linda responds when the investigator asks for assurance that she will not have to take the baby home.

    Linda adds that the chance of the fetus being delivered with a heartbeat is “kind of slim.”

    The undercover investigator also spoke with a doctor at the facility, Laura Mercer, who explains how the procedure works.

    “We do the injection, which is a quick poke through your belly, um, and that stops the fetal heart, so that makes it so, if you were to deliver, there shouldn’t be movement. There shouldn’t be any of those things. … Yes. we induce a demise, an intrauterine demise … Um, death.”
    Abortion worker: 'They will not resuscitate' baby born alive [VIDEO] | The Daily Caller

    live action's latest statement: "this video is just the latest evidence of a disturbing and horrifying trend occurring inside America’s abortion industry, the horrors of the gosnell trial are a widespread problem in this industry"

    "dismembering and destroying innocent children, leaving born babies to die, injecting poison into the chest of a tiny child so that he slowly dies in his own mother’s womb — this is all standard operating procedure in the abortion industry”

    are necks being snipped in a clinic near you?

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