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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Can you cite the study that shows where scientists have submerged babys in water to see if they attempt to flail their arms? You know, kind of like in the liquid environment they just left in their mothers stomach? Also, haven't you ever seen a preemie? You could definitely get a very small baby to at least get down the toilet.
    If you don't mind, I'd like to stop debating the last issue. Not really something I care to rehash over and over. I'll debate the rest with you all day long. Just not that.
    Flailing is not swimming. Also you are not going to get very far with flushing a premie without somehow mushing it first.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    You know something, I'm going to have to bow out of this debate. I seriously can't stomach it. Sorry man.
    Sorry about that. Didn't mean to gross you out. I'm the one trying not to get grossed out. I was just trying to physically show how physical evidence seems to be adding all this up to being a whopper of a lie... but that's with the little info that I'm going on just reading others' postings in here.
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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    In the law, testimony is a form of evidence that is obtained from a witness who makes a solemn statement or declaration of fact
    Testimony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    That still does not make testimony fact. It is quite well known memory and perception are unreliable which is why evidence is rarely based solely on witness testimony. Witnesses lie and make mistakes all the time which is why there are defense attorneys and the accused is given a chance to cross examine a witness to invalidate their testimony. Please do not distort reality by claiming witness testimony is fact. You may be ignorant enough to think that but most people are not.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Flailing is not swimming. Also you are not going to get very far with flushing a premie without somehow mushing it first.
    I'm not sure quibbling over the persons use of "swimming" vs "flailing" really changes the nature of what was claimed in the testimony here.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    jake tapper, formerly abc, recently moved to cnn, reports on the testimony

    ie, the testimony is the testimony

    the prosecution just rested, we'll hear gosnell's defense

    tapper interviewed the inquirer's john slobodzian, who has been there (unlike jake tapper and almost everyone else in the msm) from the start

    Trial of abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell reveals 'a house of horrors' – The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs

    "The evidence is certainly compelling," said The Philadelphia Inquirer's Joseph Slobodzian. Slobodzian has been in the courtroom every day of the trial.

    "There are any number of witnesses, most of them former employees of Dr. Gosnell's clinic, who say they saw late-term abortions being done, they saw fetuses, babies, that were moving, breathing after the procedure, and those babies were killed," said Slobodzian.
    before you talk anymore, you should read (catch up with tapper, at least)

    Why Dr. Kermit Gosnell's Trial Should Be a Front-Page Story - Conor Friedersdorf - The Atlantic

    Why Is the Press Ignoring the Kermit Gosnell Story? - Bloomberg

    Why I Didn't Write About Gosnell's Trial--And Why I Should Have - The Daily Beast

    if you need to see to believe

    Abortionist Slit Necks of Born Babies in Front of Teenager; Told Assistant: 'That's What You Call a Chicken With Its Head Cut Off' | CNS News

    Abortionist Joked: 'This Baby Is Big Enough to Walk Around With Me or Walk Me to the Bus Stop' | CNS News

    baby boy A pictured is the same little victim who, according to kareema cross, medical asst at 3801 lancaster for four and half years, instinctively made swimming motions in the toilet that had accepted, over the years, hundreds if not thousands of induced deliveries

    meet davida clarke

    3801 Lancaster

    there's another case out there, by the way

    Wilmington Planned Parenthood Closed, Investigated for Botched Abortions | LifeNews.com

    one of the delaware women may be dead

    but you're still missing the most salient issue

    bloomberg gets it

    This story -- which if nothing else suggests that live births do, in fact, happen during late-term abortions -- upsets a particular narrative about the reality of certain types of abortion, and that reality isn’t something some pro-choice absolutists want to discuss.
    so does the beast

    This has disturbing implications for late-term abortions. It suggests that sometimes those fetuses are delivered alive. Worse, it hints at what we might be doing inside the womb to ensure that the other ones aren't.
    why can't the president come out against scissors?

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    This thread is just one more bit of proof that the moral fascists who want to ban abortion don't care about babies. All they care about is partisan attacks
    I want to ban abortion and I most certainly do care about pre-born babies being murdered. It has nothing to do with partisan attacks, it has to do with being sad and angry and at a loss to explain how anyone can kill a pre-born baby.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Flailing is not swimming. Also you are not going to get very far with flushing a premie without somehow mushing it first.
    Newborns do have a primitive swim reflex for the first few months of life. Neonate swimming:



    List of reflexes here.

    Primitive reflexes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Disposing of it in a toilet is a bit curious and hard to fathom though.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    -- Disposing of it in a toilet is a bit curious and hard to fathom though.
    Horrific story, late term or trimester abortions shouldn't happen except under life threatening conditions so if he's routinely carrying out such procedures (illegally) he possibly couldn't dispose of these fetuses / babies any other way. He wouldn't be able to use established methods if they exist there.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Wow, that's some really horrid stuff
    Yes it is and it is also simply amazing how many of the MSM outlets are ignoring this genocide because it makes progressives look bad.

    These progressive media outlets will do their best to post any and every "gun crime" while they champion a gun ban but sweep this genocide under the rug...

    Of course progressives have absolutely ZERO problem with this bias and selective editing.... I suppose the truth doesn't matter - only opinions matter to them...

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Both sides should be absolutely disgusted about what this man did and the complete lack of oversight (apparently, before all this went down, the last state inspection was in 1993!?)
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