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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    From the Chicago Tribune:

    "The abortion industry tut-tuts it all as a deplorable, yet a single, isolated incident. It ignores the clinics being investigated for botched abortions or hazardous facilities in Alabama, New Mexico, Minnesota, Maryland, Colorado and Florida. There may be more, since abortion record-keeping is abysmal.

    Even Illinois, by law, doesn't keep records of infants born alive during an abortion, an Illinois Department of Public Health spokeswoman said in an email. Amazingly, Illinois abortion clinics hadn't been inspected for up to 15 years before the Gosnell case broke, an Associated Press investigation found."

    Investigations of abortion clinics nearly nonexistent - Chicago Tribune

    The article goes on to say that because of the Gosnell case, the Dept. of Public Health finally acted and that two of nine clinics were closed, at least temporarily, for violations that "threaten the public interest, health, safety and welfare."

    It comments, "Some supervisory, sanitation and other violations sound eerily similar to Gosnell's."

    So in Illinois pregnancy termination centers hadn't been inspected in 15 years. I hope that Illinois is the only state with such slipshod oversight, and as I've said, none of us knows yet.

    But I hope if there are problems, they're all exposed because we can surely all agree that that this is a benefit to the public welfare.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Lack of evidence is not lack of existence.

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    It is horrible what happened here. I believe if they are found guilty...nothing short of life in prison should be used. I'm more in favor of death if absolutely proved guilty.

    However, I don't think this makes any case for abortions to be illegal. As a matter of fact, I think it does the opposite. Why? Well, if abortions become illegal they will go underground and more atrocious things like this will happen.
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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Are you for real?


    Definition in first link:



    And pretty much the same definition in the other two links. Birth control PREVENTS conception. If you get pregnant while on birth control, that means your birth control FAILED, and you are PREGNANT!
    You're not considered pregnant until the fertilized egg attaches to the uterine wall and the body starts producing pregnancy hormones.

    Many types of birth control prevent more than jusr fertilization. Like UIDs, they also prevent implantation.




    other than that, I don't understand the.debate you're having.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    It is horrible what happened here. I believe if they are found guilty...nothing short of life in prison should be used. I'm more in favor of death if absolutely proved guilty.

    However, I don't think this makes any case for abortions to be illegal. As a matter of fact, I think it does the opposite. Why? Well, if abortions become illegal they will go underground and more atrocious things like this will happen.
    That doesnt excuse the state for completely droping the ball on keeping the facilities up to health code, sterile for medical procedures and adhering to a rather lenient state law code regarding abortion facilities.

    Your line of thinking is why they kept excusing Gosnell's clinic in the first place. Dont enforce the law according to a socio-political agenda, just enforce it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    That doesnt excuse the state for completely droping the ball on keeping the facilities up to health code, sterile for medical procedures and adhering to a rather lenient state law code regarding abortion facilities.

    Your line of thinking is why they kept excusing Gosnell's clinic in the first place. Dont enforce the law according to a socio-political agenda, just enforce it.
    Don't blame my line of thinking. I agree that what that clinic did was criminal. It was disgusting and they should pay a heavy price. I don't excuse the state for dropping the ball. Obviously, they did.

    My entire point is that if we make it 100% illegal...what do you think will happen? It won't be automatic rainbows and lollipops. We will be dealing with underground abortions which are likely just as disgusting as this is.
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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post

    when I talk like what? When I describe the refusal to ascribe human terminology to an unborn child as dehumanization? Well, I mean, duh? It ain't praise-poetry.
    And you respond like Sanga too

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by AreteCourage View Post
    It is horrible what happened here. I believe if they are found guilty...nothing short of life in prison should be used. I'm more in favor of death if absolutely proved guilty.

    However, I don't think this makes any case for abortions to be illegal. As a matter of fact, I think it does the opposite. Why? Well, if abortions become illegal they will go underground and more atrocious things like this will happen.
    The issue here, as the grand jury stated, is protection of the health of women and infants, not abortion.

    And regardless of our individual views, I think we have the right to expect our states and cities to exercise due diligence.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The issue here, as the grand jury stated, is protection of the health of women and infants, not abortion.

    And regardless of our individual views, I think we have the right to expect our states and cities to exercise due diligence.
    Agreed.

    Abortion became a center argument in this thread which is why I gave my opinion on it.
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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    It
    is dehumanization, and it's linguistically purposeful. Much easier to kill the undesireables if they aren't perceived actually human, you know.
    You all talk like you're brainwashed or something. Pro choices really don't talk or approach this issue as if they are all Nazis.

    You're basically debating a boogie man version of pro choices.

    Do you ever think that maybe most people support abortion rights simply because making abortion illegal would create many undersired legal, social, and medical issues?

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