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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'll answer if you can explain exactly when this "moment of conception" BS occurs
    Well, I think it's when the sperm penetrates and fertilizes the egg.

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    Discovery Health "From Sex to Conception"

    When an egg enters the fallopian tube from the other end, it produces a scent that drives the sperm cells crazy. They become very excited and begin a process called capacitation, during which they shed certain proteins and become very excited. Both the shedding of proteins and the boost in mobility aid the sperm cell in its quest to penetrate the egg.

    When a sperm cell finally makes contact with the egg, the head of the sperm releases enzymes that help it penetrate the egg's exterior. Once a sperm cell does, the two cells -- the sperm and the egg -- form a single-celled unit called a zygote, and the change prevents any other sperm cells from getting through.
    The fastest sperm can get to a fallopian tube is about 30 minutes, meaning that the quickest conception could occur following sex is in the half-hour range [source: WebMD]. This means that, following sex, the egg could be fertilized before you've gotten up to get a drink of water.

    Conception can occur as many as five days after sex or possibly longer, as strong, healthy sperm can survive for about that many days (and perhaps even longer) in the supportive environment of the fallopian tubes as they wait for an egg to be released, if one isn't already present [source: Harms].
    You can click on the next page for lots more information on fertility and conception in far less time than it takes to create a zygote.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Naturally. There is no more particular reason to establish "Birth" as there is "the fifth birthday" or "12th week of gestation". All simply represent different stages of a child growing into an adult, and there is no moral distinction between the killing of a child in any of them.
    Wrong. That is not what I said

    Let me know when you can understand what was written
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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, I think it's when the sperm penetrates and fertilizes the egg.

    FYI:

    Discovery Health "From Sex to Conception"

    When an egg enters the fallopian tube from the other end, it produces a scent that drives the sperm cells crazy. They become very excited and begin a process called capacitation, during which they shed certain proteins and become very excited. Both the shedding of proteins and the boost in mobility aid the sperm cell in its quest to penetrate the egg.

    When a sperm cell finally makes contact with the egg, the head of the sperm releases enzymes that help it penetrate the egg's exterior. Once a sperm cell does, the two cells -- the sperm and the egg -- form a single-celled unit called a zygote, and the change prevents any other sperm cells from getting through.
    The fastest sperm can get to a fallopian tube is about 30 minutes, meaning that the quickest conception could occur following sex is in the half-hour range [source: WebMD]. This means that, following sex, the egg could be fertilized before you've gotten up to get a drink of water.

    Conception can occur as many as five days after sex or possibly longer, as strong, healthy sperm can survive for about that many days (and perhaps even longer) in the supportive environment of the fallopian tubes as they wait for an egg to be released, if one isn't already present [source: Harms].
    You can click on the next page for lots more information on fertility and conception in far less time than it takes to create a zygote.
    That quote describes a process, not a moment

    So which moment are you referring to? The moment the sperm cell makes contact with the egg? The moment the head of the sperm first release enzymes that help it penetrate the egg's exterior? etc
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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That quote describes a process, not a moment

    So which moment are you referring to? The moment the sperm cell makes contact with the egg? The moment the head of the sperm first release enzymes that help it penetrate the egg's exterior? etc
    It does! It says it can take from 30 minutes to up to five days for actual conception to occur which is the moment when the sperm attaches itself to the egg.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You and me both. But there are quite a lot of people who disagree, quite a lot more who prefer to acquiesce to it through silence, and not a few who are quite in support of it. The President, for example. Hope you didn't vote for him.
    No I did not, either time.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm glad to see you arguing that birth is no less arbitrary than your own criteria for determining when a life is deserving of legal protection
    So is that the pro choice position? At no time prior to birth should the baby be afforded any legal protection?

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It does! It says it can take from 30 minutes to up to five days for actual conception to occur which is the moment when the sperm attaches itself to the egg.
    So your saying that this "moment" is when the sperm attaches to the egg, even though your source says that it is not a moment, but a process that can take between 30 minutes and 5 days?

    Did I misunderstand you?
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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So is that the pro choice position? At no time prior to birth should the baby be afforded any legal protection?
    I see you have chosen to not explain when this fictional "moment of conception" occurs?

    Smart move. No sense in defending the indefensible and arbitrary beliefs of the abortion banners
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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see you have chosen to not explain when this fictional "moment of conception" occurs?

    Smart move. No sense in defending the indefensible and arbitrary beliefs of the abortion banners
    Lol, this from the guy who hasn't been able or willing to answer one direct question.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So your saying that this "moment" is when the sperm attaches to the egg, even though your source says that it is not a moment, but a process that can take between 30 minutes and 5 days?

    Did I misunderstand you?
    Here it is again. It clearly says that the process takes between 30 minutes and 5 days, perhaps a little longer than 5 days in some instances (probably rare instances). I don't understand what is difficult to understand. It sounds fairly straightforward to me.

    When a sperm cell finally makes contact with the egg, the head of the sperm releases enzymes that help it penetrate the egg's exterior. Once a sperm cell does, the two cells -- the sperm and the egg -- form a single-celled unit called a zygote, and the change prevents any other sperm cells from getting through.

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