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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The definition of life says life begins at fertilization.

    The definition of pregnancy says pregnancy begins at implantation.

    If you really want to protect life that early and before the moment of pregnancy, then have fun trying to ban birth control.

    I am not pro life because its not practical, I feel the position lacks empathy, and because it mainly puts the life of the unborn over the safety of the woman by making the issue about nothing more than protecting unborn life.
    You're being inconsistent. If the unborn life is not worth protecting why do you say you oppose late term abortion?

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    I care
    about human life period. Stop going back to the same stupid arguments.
    And yet you said that abortion is more about the unborn life.

    Maybe you meant to say that only unborn life matters in abortion, and not the woman's identity or emotions.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm
    sorry, SheWolf. These distinctions that make all the difference to you just don't make any sense to me. I have a friend who's 36 weeks pregnant. If he (screw calling him an "it" or a fetus, it is a he) was born today, he'd likely be fine. I just cannot imagine her telling me she wants to abort the pregnancy and me being, "well as long as he stays in the womb while it's done, it somehow completely changes what he is".
    I wouldn't be ok with that either. And its not legally acceptable unless her life is in danger.

    In fact, I think 36 weeks is beyond the legal time frame to obtain a late term abortion in most states.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You're
    being inconsistent. If the unborn life is not worth protecting why do you say you oppose late term abortion?
    I am personally pro life and against abortion in many cases. I see nothing wrong with protecting unborn life as you say. However, I don't think outlawing abortion and charging women with murder will have the best outcomes, nor is it the proper path to go down as a society.

    There still is a huge difference between late term and early term abortion. Much like there is a big difference between killing somebody by shooting them in the head versus turning a life support system off.

    Once a fetus is fully developed or becomes viable, then its not on biological life support and it can sustain its own life outside of the womb.


    Furthermore, abortion procedures vary differently between late and full term abortions. A newly implanted zygote and early stage embryos, for example, won't survive if they are detached from the uterine wall. A fertilized egg dies if it never attaches.

    That's extremely different from cutting a fully formed fetus apart in the womb and collapsing it's skull.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am personally pro life and against abortion in many cases. I see nothing wrong with protecting unborn life as you say. However, I don't think outlawing abortion and charging women with murder will have the best outcomes, nor is it the proper path to go down as a society.

    There still is a huge difference between late term and early term abortion. Much like there is a big difference between killing somebody by shooting them in the head versus turning a life support system off.

    Once a fetus is fully developed or becomes viable, then its not on biological life support and it can sustain its own life outside of the womb.


    Furthermore, abortion procedures vary differently between late and full term abortions. A newly implanted zygote and early stage embryos, for example, won't survive if they are detached from the uterine wall. A fertilized egg dies if it never attaches.

    That's extremely different from cutting a fully formed fetus apart in the womb and collapsing it's skull.
    Ok, thanks for explaining. I would just point out that a baby at 26 weeks would still need life some support measures. I know because my friend was in danger of an early delivery and I've actually taken her to some of her appointments.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I was talking about protecting the lives and safety of women. Your comment makes no sense to me.
    I can explain it to you


    In order to maintain their sanctimonious sense of being morally superior, the abortion banners have to dishonestly misrepresent and lie about the people who support the rights of women to have abortions.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    There's some truth to this. By the same token, the abortion rights crowd tend to talk abortion as if every pregnancy was a result of rape and that every abortion occurs within a few days of conception.
    No, it doesn't but your lie combined with Josie's (who said the exact opposite of what you said) proves that the abortion banners constantly lies about the pro-choice position
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I can explain it to you


    In order to maintain their sanctimonious sense of being morally superior, the abortion banners have to dishonestly misrepresent and lie about the people who support the rights of women to have abortions.
    Your last 10 or so posts have been along the lines of bashing pro lifers while being completely void of any substance.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No. I don't see any "obviously big difference". It's arbitrary line drawing that does nothing change the character or reality of what's in the womb.
    The only arbitrary line being drawn is by the "life begins at the moment of conception" crowd
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The only arbitrary line being drawn is by the "life begins at the moment of conception" crowd
    That's a lot less arbitrary than saying it's not a baby in the first trimester, it kinda sorta starts being baby-like in the second trimester and it is a baby in the third (unless it has physical problems).

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