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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas Judge Jeffrey P. Minehart flip-flopped today on which babies late-term abortionist Dr. Kermit Gosnell could be charged with murdering and which ones he could not.

    On Tuesday, Minehart granted Gosnell an acquittal in the alleged murders of three of these babies--“Baby B,” “Baby C,” and “Baby G.”

    But today, citing what he called a "clerical error," the judge switched Gosnell's acquittal in the murder of "Baby C" to an acquittal in the murder of "Baby F."

    According to the grand jury report, "Baby C" was "moving and breathing for 20 minutes” before it was killed. "Baby F” jerked its leg before Gosnell severed his spinal cord, according to testimony.

    Acquitting Gosnell for the alleged murdering of the wrong baby was “my error,” Judge Minehart said.

    Minehart is still dropping the charges against Gosnell for the murder of three babies. But today they are the charges for the alleged murders of Baby B, Baby F and Baby G--not Baby B, Baby C and Baby G.

    He also faces charges for third-degree murder in the death of a mother, infanticide, as well as conspiracy, abortion at 24 or more weeks, theft, corruption of minors, solicitation and other related offenses.

    Steven Massoff, an unlicensed medical school graduate, testified to the grand jury that he was assisting Gosnell with an abortion of Baby F when he saw the baby’s leg “jerk and move.” It was estimated that the gestational age of Baby F was between 25 and 27 weeks (6 to 7 months old).

    That charge is now dropped.

    The other two charges thrown out include Baby Boy B, a 28-week-old male whose body was discovered at the clinic in the freezer during the raid in 2010, and Baby G, who Massoff testified exhibited “a respiratory excursion,” or breath before its neck was cut.

    According to the Grand Jury Report on the case, Baby Boy B’s body “was found at the clinic frozen in a one-gallon spring-water bottle, [and] was at least 28 weeks of gestational age when he was killed. … The 28-week fetus, a male (Baby Boy B) had a surgical incision on the back of the neck, which penetrated the first and second vertebrae.”
    Flip Flop: Murder Charge Back for 'Breathing' Baby, Dropped for 'Jerk and Move' Baby | CNS News

    if the baby is not living why slit his neck?

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    also thrown out by his honor: 5 counts of mutilating a corpse (by chopping off its feet to collect in jars)

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No. I
    don't see any "obviously big difference". It's arbitrary line drawing that does nothing change the character or reality of what's in the womb.
    the reality of what's in the womb can be a fertilized egg to baby on its way out of the birth canal. It could involve anything from a healthy baby, to a molar pregnancy, fatal deformities, to somethung no longer living.


    There is are obvious differences that cannot be ignored or denied. Your position is one that denies such differences for some reason, be it ideological convenience, lack of information and knowledge in, a radical position or something.


    I don't understand why you can't hold the same beliefs whilst acknowledging everything involved.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    april 17

    Tracy Weitz, associate professor at the University of California, San Francisco, explained: “When a procedure that usually involves the collapsing of the skull is done, it’s usually done when the fetus is still in the uterus, not when the fetus has been delivered.”

    Dr. Weitz added that third-trimester abortions involve “euthanizing” the baby with a chemical injection, and then basically going through labor and delivery.

    Here’s the [partial] transcript of Weitz’s response:

    I think it’s important to recognize that this particular procedure is nowhere in the medical literature. When a procedure that usually involves the collapsing of the skull is done, it’s usually done when the fetus is still in the uterus, not when the fetus has been delivered.

    Traditionally, when that procedure is done which involves the collapsing of the skull, it’s done at the junction between the later second trimester and the beginning of the third trimester — that’s around 24 weeks. It is not done at this significantly later period.

    When inductions for delivery — that is, in the third trimester, when procedures are performed, when abortions are performed, they are usually done as inductions. That is, they look much more like a labor and delivery. And the fetus is traditionally euthanized before that procedure is initiated. Two drugs, either potassium chloride or digoxin, are used to make sure that the fetus is not living before the procedure is initiated.
    'The collapsing of the skull' is usually done when the fetus is still in the uterus | WashingtonExaminer.com

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    april 14 or thereabouts

    This story -- which if nothing else suggests that live births do, in fact, happen during late-term abortions -- upsets a particular narrative about the reality of certain types of abortion, and that reality isn’t something some pro-choice absolutists want to discuss.
    Why Is the Press Ignoring the Kermit Gosnell Story? - Bloomberg

    This has disturbing implications for late-term abortions. It suggests that sometimes those fetuses are delivered alive. Worse, it hints at what we might be doing inside the womb to ensure that the other ones aren't.
    Why I Didn't Write About Gosnell's Trial--And Why I Should Have - The Daily Beast

    why won't barack obama come out against scissors?

    why had the executive editor of the washington post never heard of kermit barron gosnell until after kirsten powers appeared in usatoday?

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then you haven't read the evidence and are unfamiliar with the history and the court case.
    I think she was referring to G tiller, because I did a double take when I first read it as well. But it was a response to a remark about tiller

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I think she was referring to G tiller, because I did a double take when I first read it as well. But it was a response to a remark about tiller
    Oh, yes, you may be right. Thanks.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
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    only reason they were out of the womb is because he induced them. If he had cut them apart while in the womb and took them out in pieces, would that be better?
    That would actually be considered an abortion. Late term abortion isn't legal in most cases, so even if he did that he would be committing a crime unless the abortions were for health reasons.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    The only
    difference is that there's a law permitting early term abortion and a law against what Gosnell did. The difference isn't the definition of "life".
    The definition of life says life begins at fertilization.

    The definition of pregnancy says pregnancy begins at implantation.

    If you really want to protect life that early and before the moment of pregnancy, then have fun trying to ban birth control.

    I am not pro life because its not practical, I feel the position lacks empathy, and because it mainly puts the life of the unborn over the safety of the woman by making the issue about nothing more than protecting unborn life.

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    Re: Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    That would actually be considered an abortion. Late term abortion isn't legal in most cases, so even if he did that he would be committing a crime unless the abortions were for health reasons.
    I'm sorry, SheWolf. These distinctions that make all the difference to you just don't make any sense to me. I have a friend who's 36 weeks pregnant. If he (screw calling him an "it" or a fetus, it is a he) was born today, he'd likely be fine. I just cannot imagine her telling me she wants to abort the pregnancy and me being, "well as long as he stays in the womb while it's done, it somehow completely changes what he is".
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