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Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out"

sangha said:
I'm glad to see you arguing that birth is no less arbitrary than your own criteria for determining when a life is deserving of legal protection
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So is that the pro choice position? At no time prior to birth should the baby be afforded any legal protection?
 
ChrisL said:
It does! It says it can take from 30 minutes to up to five days for actual conception to occur which is the moment when the sperm attaches itself to the egg.
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So your saying that this "moment" is when the sperm attaches to the egg, even though your source says that it is not a moment, but a process that can take between 30 minutes and 5 days?

Did I misunderstand you?
 
X Factor said:
So is that the pro choice position? At no time prior to birth should the baby be afforded any legal protection?
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I see you have chosen to not explain when this fictional "moment of conception" occurs?

Smart move. No sense in defending the indefensible and arbitrary beliefs of the abortion banners
 
sangha said:
I see you have chosen to not explain when this fictional "moment of conception" occurs?

Smart move. No sense in defending the indefensible and arbitrary beliefs of the abortion banners
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Lol, this from the guy who hasn't been able or willing to answer one direct question.
 
sangha said:
So your saying that this "moment" is when the sperm attaches to the egg, even though your source says that it is not a moment, but a process that can take between 30 minutes and 5 days?

Did I misunderstand you?
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Here it is again. It clearly says that the process takes between 30 minutes and 5 days, perhaps a little longer than 5 days in some instances (probably rare instances). I don't understand what is difficult to understand. It sounds fairly straightforward to me.

When a sperm cell finally makes contact with the egg, the head of the sperm releases enzymes that help it penetrate the egg's exterior. Once a sperm cell does, the two cells -- the sperm and the egg -- form a single-celled unit called a zygote, and the change prevents any other sperm cells from getting through.
 
SheWolf said:
I wouldn't be ok with that either. And its not legally acceptable unless her life is in danger.

In fact, I think 36 weeks is beyond the legal time frame to obtain a late term abortion in most states.
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Here are the time limits in some European countries, according to Mark Steyn.

"America is the abortion mill of the developed world. In Western Europe, the state is yet squeamish enough to insist that the act be confined to twelve weeks (France) or 13 (Italy), with mandatory counseling (Germany), or up to 18 if approved by a government “commission” (Norway). Granted, many of these “safeguards” are pro forma and honored in the breach, but that’s preferable to America where they’re honored in the breech and the distinction between abortion and infanticide depends on whether the “doctor” gets to the baby’s skull before it’s cleared the cervix".
 
ChrisL said:
Here it is again. It clearly says that the process takes between 30 minutes and 5 days, perhaps a little longer than 5 days in some instances (probably rare instances). I don't understand what is difficult to understand. It sounds fairly straightforward to me.

When a sperm cell finally makes contact with the egg, the head of the sperm releases enzymes that help it penetrate the egg's exterior. Once a sperm cell does, the two cells -- the sperm and the egg -- form a single-celled unit called a zygote, and the change prevents any other sperm cells from getting through.
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Yes, I know what the quote says. What I don't know is what you believe is the moment of conception. I don't even know if you believe that there is a moment of conception
 
sangha said:
I'll answer if you can explain exactly when this "moment of conception" BS occurs
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"Science teaches without reservation that life begins at conception. It is a scientific fact that an organism exists after conception that did not exist before conception. This new organism has its own DNA distinct from the mother and father, meaning that it is neither part of the mother nor part of father."

I think you'll find the quotes informative, particularly those by Moore and Sadler. Their embryology textbooks are used by the top ten medical schools in the United States.

Life begins at conception, science teaches
 
nota bene said:
"Science teaches without reservation that life begins at conception. It is a scientific fact that an organism exists after conception that did not exist before conception. This new organism has its own DNA distinct from the mother and father, meaning that it is neither part of the mother nor part of father."

I think you'll find the quotes informative, particularly those by Moore and Sadler. Their embryology textbooks are used by the top ten medical schools in the United States.

Life begins at conception, science teaches
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And we have another supporter of "life begins at conception" who can't explain when this "moment of conception" actually occurs
 
sangha said:
And we have another supporter of "life begins at conception" who can't explain when this "moment of conception" actually occurs
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You know what's interesting? The fact that you didn't bother to click on the link before expounding.
 
sangha said:
Lol, this from the poster who won't explain when this moment of conception occurs
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Is it important to know when that "Baby Abortion Survivor Was "Swimming" In Toilet "Trying To Get Out" was conceived?
 
sangha said:
Yes, I know what the quote says. What I don't know is what you believe is the moment of conception. I don't even know if you believe that there is a moment of conception
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Lol! What in the heck are you talking about?
 
sangha said:
What's interesting is your continued inability to explain when this moment of conception actually occurs
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It had been explained. You apparently just lack the ability to understand it.
 
ChrisL said:
Lol! What in the heck are you talking about?
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He's just talking in circles. Apparently he cannot cogently defend or even explain his own position.
 
X Factor said:
He's just talking in circles. Apparently he cannot cogently defend or even explain his own position.
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It's rather silly, isn't it? :lamo
 
sangha said:
I asked when the moment of conception occurs, and you posted a quote that said nothing about any moment of conception.
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Between 30 minutes and 5 days after ejaculation is how long it takes for the sperm to attach itself to the egg, which is the point of conception. I don't know how I can make it any more clear for you. I mean, there it is, in black and white. Perhaps reading comprehension is a problem? A little dyslexia maybe? I dunno. :shrug:
 
ChrisL said:
Between 30 minutes and 5 days after ejaculation is how long it takes for the sperm to attach itself to the egg, which is the point of conception. I don't know how I can make it any more clear for you. I mean, there it is, in black and white. Perhaps reading comprehension is a problem? A little dyslexia maybe? I dunno. :shrug:
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"Between 30 minutes and 5 days" is not "a moment"

ESL much?
 
ChrisL said:
It's rather silly, isn't it? :lamo
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I think if you have to talk in circles and can't answer direct, simple questions about your position then, even in your own mind, your position is indefensible.
 
X Factor said:
I think if you have to talk in circles and can't answer direct, simple questions about your position then, even in your own mind, your position is indefensible.
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And if you have to define "a moment" as "between 30 minutes and 5 days", then even you know your position is indefensible
 
sangha said:
"Between 30 minutes and 5 days" is not "a moment"

ESL much?
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Hello??? The "moment" OCCURS between 30 minutes and 5 days. That is the time span. Why are you getting this? It's a pretty simple concept even for a child.
 
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