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Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

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Time to boycott the boy scouts. Someone please contact One Million Moms

They gonna let the gays in and rape and sodomize our children.

/sarcasm



Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths - CNN.com

CNN) -- The Boy Scouts of America would no longer deny membership to youths on the basis of sexual orientation alone, but would maintain its ban on openly gay adult leaders, under a proposal it is considering, the group said Friday. The organization's executive committee made the proposal, which is expected to be presented to the Boy Scouts' voting members in May.
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Dad: Scouts shouldn't lift ban on gays
"If approved, the resolution would mean that 'no youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone.' The BSA will maintain the current membership policy for all adults," Boy Scouts public relations director Deron Smith said.
The Boy Scouts have been considering a change in their longstanding policy against allowing openly gay members. In February, the Boy Scouts' national executive board postponed a vote on lifting its outright ban on openly homosexual scouts and troop leaders.
 
Odd, since the ban began, no kids have been molested by scout masters or other gay boys. Seems odd that instituting a policy that stopped the abuse is now being allowed to return? Oh crap sorry just read that they're still not accepting gay adults, Whew, at least that makes some sense. Crazy bigots, but oddly enough the bigots seem to have called this one right. No gay adult males, no gay molestation of children. That's just weird..


Tim-
 
Dragonfly said:
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Who's being a bigot?
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That is not to you. Sorry if i wasnt clear.

What i meant is that we dont need any bigotry when it comes to homosexuals.

However, give them time, they'll chime in
 
Hicup said:
Odd, since the ban began, no kids have been molested by scout masters or other gay boys. Seems odd that instituting a policy that stopped the abuse is now being allowed to return? Oh crap sorry just read that they're still not accepting gay adults, Whew, at least that makes some sense. Crazy bigots, but oddly enough the bigots seem to have called this one right. No gay adult males, no gay molestation of children. That's just weird..
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Sorry - maybe it's the Friday evening beer - but it's not clear to me what you intended to say here.

Would you mind repeating your intended thoughts with different phrasing?
 
Hicup said:
Odd, since the ban began, no kids have been molested by scout masters or other gay boys. Seems odd that instituting a policy that stopped the abuse is now being allowed to return? Oh crap sorry just read that they're still not accepting gay adults, Whew, at least that makes some sense. Crazy bigots, but oddly enough the bigots seem to have called this one right. No gay adult males, no gay molestation of children. That's just weird..


Tim-
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Scouting sex abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
sangha said:
Scouting sex abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Yes, one incident since 1988, and it was in 2006.

Sorry - maybe it's the Friday evening beer - but it's not clear to me what you intended to say here.

Would you mind repeating your intended thoughts with different phrasing?
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Oh I think it's perfectly clear. Although not conclusive, one cannot deny that disallowing gay men from being scout masters ended molestation in the boy scouts. Is that a little more clear?

Now the real question is how odd that this happened? Why do you suppose molestation of young boys ended? Sure they instituted other policies, that's why I said one cannot completely draw definitive conclusions that it was ONLY about gay men, but it sure is odd. As odd I imagine as allowing straight men as scout masters of young girls. Common sense says it's probably not a good idea.. Wouldn't you agree?


Tim-
 
When, and where were all these documented cases of gay scout leader molestation's?

I don't recall it being a major issue during my life.
 
Dragonfly said:
Seems like a reasonable and rational step forward.

U.S. Boy Scouts proposal: let in gay youth, keep out gay adults
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That seems to me to be a reasonable compromise.

Given that the BSA is between a rock and a hard place on this issue, as it stands to lose tax exempt status if it does not admit gays, and to lose a large portion of its membership as the LDS decides whether to continue to sponsor troops if it does, allowing gay youth and not allowing gay adults is at least a compromise that might work.

Like all good compromises, no one will like it in its entirety.
 
There is no place for this in Boy Scouts.
 
Bigfoot 88 said:
There is no place for this in Boy Scouts.
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No place for boys in boy scouts????

What you smokin?

Boys, both gay and straight are in school, church, ROTC, the military, sports, and all other walks of life.

Why can't they be in scouts?

I mean other than you having some bizarre fear over something that need not be feared.
 
I really don't get what boy scouts is trying to accomplish here.

Wouldn't having gay adults be complimentary to having gay youth, since the adults would be in a mentorship position to help youth answer difficult questions about their sexuality? What kind of message does it send to gay youth that the organization has sterilized all their staff of gay people. How much understanding are gay youth going to really receive if there are no gay adults in the organization?

Is it based on the old stereotype that the gay adults will molest the boys, or something?

You either support equality or you don't. Why is it so hard for some organizations to accept that gay adults are functional, regular people in society who just want to make a living and pursue happiness like anyone else? Why is there such an underlying fear that gay people are going to talk non-stop about being gay all the time, when that virtually never happens in employment situations???

Boy Scouts is being ridiculous. They can't seem to make up their minds on public relations and discrimination policy. This compromise is not saving face, it's just making them look like bigots all the same. I would never send my kids to this organization.
 
Northern Light said:
I really don't get what boy scouts is trying to accomplish here.

Wouldn't having gay adults be complimentary to having gay youth, since the adults would be in a mentorship position to help youth answer difficult questions about their sexuality? What kind of message does it send to gay youth that the organization has sterilized all their staff of gay people. How much understanding are gay youth going to really receive if there are no gay adults in the organization?

Is it based on the old stereotype that the gay adults will molest the boys, or something?

You either support equality or you don't. Why is it so hard for some organizations to accept that gay adults are functional, regular people in society who just want to make a living and pursue happiness like anyone else? Why is there such an underlying fear that gay people are going to talk non-stop about being gay all the time, when that virtually never happens in employment situations???

Boy Scouts is being ridiculous. They can't seem to make up their minds on public relations and discrimination policy. This compromise is not saving face, it's just making them look like bigots all the same. I would never send my kids to this organization.
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While I agree completely, at least this is a step in the right direction.

Some progress is better than no progress.
 
Northern Light said:
I really don't get what boy scouts is trying to accomplish here.

Wouldn't having gay adults be complimentary to having gay youth, since the adults would be in a mentorship position to help youth answer difficult questions about their sexuality? What kind of message does it send to gay youth that the organization has sterilized all their staff of gay people. How much understanding are gay youth going to really receive if there are no gay adults in the organization?

Is it based on the old stereotype that the gay adults will molest the boys, or something?

You either support equality or you don't. Why is it so hard for some organizations to accept that gay adults are functional, regular people in society who just want to make a living and pursue happiness like anyone else? Why is there such an underlying fear that gay people are going to talk non-stop about being gay all the time, when that virtually never happens in employment situations???

Boy Scouts is being ridiculous. They can't seem to make up their minds on public relations and discrimination policy. This compromise is not saving face, it's just making them look like bigots all the same. I would never send my kids to this organization.
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It's a compromise. They're trying to keep all of their troops, and their tax exempt status as well. See post 11.
 
Not perfect, as I see no reason why there also can't be gay adult leaders, but this is great news, and hopefully it passes.

The BSA is a wonderful organization that has done a lot of people, myself included, a tremendous amount of good. Hopefully, they will open up their doors to another segment of the country's youth.
 
Hicup said:
Yes, one incident since 1988, and it was in 2006.

Oh I think it's perfectly clear. Although not conclusive, one cannot deny that disallowing gay men from being scout masters ended molestation in the boy scouts. Is that a little more clear?

Now the real question is how odd that this happened? Why do you suppose molestation of young boys ended? Sure they instituted other policies, that's why I said one cannot completely draw definitive conclusions that it was ONLY about gay men, but it sure is odd. As odd I imagine as allowing straight men as scout masters of young girls. Common sense says it's probably not a good idea.. Wouldn't you agree?

Tim-
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Except that the ban on homosexual leaders has been in effect since 1980, and there were plenty of sex abuse cases between 1980 and 1994. So, gay leaders had nothing to do with it. I guess "common sense" is quite wrong in this instance. And, of course, most convicted men that molest boys are heterosexual in their adult relationships. But you've attempted to conflate homosexuality and pedophilia many many times. There's nothing new here.
 
Hicup said:
Yes, one incident since 1988, and it was in 2006.



Oh I think it's perfectly clear. Although not conclusive, one cannot deny that disallowing gay men from being scout masters ended molestation in the boy scouts. Is that a little more clear?

Now the real question is how odd that this happened? Why do you suppose molestation of young boys ended? Sure they instituted other policies, that's why I said one cannot completely draw definitive conclusions that it was ONLY about gay men, but it sure is odd. As odd I imagine as allowing straight men as scout masters of young girls. Common sense says it's probably not a good idea.. Wouldn't you agree?


Tim-
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Only 1 huh? I think this says differently.

Tracking decades of allegations in the Boy Scouts - Spreadsheets - Los Angeles Times

Most of the cases were opened in the late eighties/early nineties.

Plus, you can't prove that most, but particularly not all, of the boys molested before that were molested by gay men. Most states had sodomy laws prior to 1980 which meant it was illegal in most states to be openly gay so it is unlikely that an openly gay man would have been a scout leader. I'm willing to bet that most of those who were molesting those scouts were in marriages with women, and even had children and many likely even condemned homosexuality. Pedophiles are not deemed heterosexual or homosexual by what sex/gender of child they molest.
 
I don't recall how old one can still be in the Boy Scouts as a member, but I'm going to make an assumption here just the same. I don't remember anyone in my class carrying on with it past middle school, anecdotally.

So anyway, if you're a Boy Scout, you shouldn't be engaging in sex with anyone anyway. Kind of obvious, really.
 
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JayDubya said:
I don't recall how old one can still be in the Boy Scouts as a member, but I'm going to make an assumption here just the same. I don't remember anyone in my class carrying on with it past middle school, anecdotally.

So anyway, if you're a Boy Scout, you shouldn't be engaging in sex with anyone anyway. Kind of obvious, really.
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You don't have to be having sex with anyone to know which sex/gender you are attracted to.
 
roguenuke said:
You don't have to be having sex with anyone to know which sex/gender you are attracted to.
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How would anyone know the sexual preferences of a prepubescent anyway, and given that there's no activity attached to it, why should any organization, even this one, care?

I mean, as a private organization it's their prerogative, but this all seems silly.
 
Hicup said:
Odd, since the ban began, no kids have been molested by scout masters or other gay boys. Seems odd that instituting a policy that stopped the abuse is now being allowed to return? Oh crap sorry just read that they're still not accepting gay adults, Whew, at least that makes some sense. Crazy bigots, but oddly enough the bigots seem to have called this one right. No gay adult males, no gay molestation of children. That's just weird..


Tim-
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That is not correct. There were molestation charges brought up last year for events that happened in 2003-2008.
The "no gay policy" was put in place in 1993 I believe.
 
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