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    Re: Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Seems like a reasonable and rational step forward.

    U.S. Boy Scouts proposal: let in gay youth, keep out gay adults
    That seems to me to be a reasonable compromise.

    Given that the BSA is between a rock and a hard place on this issue, as it stands to lose tax exempt status if it does not admit gays, and to lose a large portion of its membership as the LDS decides whether to continue to sponsor troops if it does, allowing gay youth and not allowing gay adults is at least a compromise that might work.

    Like all good compromises, no one will like it in its entirety.
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    Re: Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

    There is no place for this in Boy Scouts.
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    Re: Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    There is no place for this in Boy Scouts.
    No place for boys in boy scouts????

    What you smokin?

    Boys, both gay and straight are in school, church, ROTC, the military, sports, and all other walks of life.

    Why can't they be in scouts?

    I mean other than you having some bizarre fear over something that need not be feared.

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    Re: Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

    I really don't get what boy scouts is trying to accomplish here.

    Wouldn't having gay adults be complimentary to having gay youth, since the adults would be in a mentorship position to help youth answer difficult questions about their sexuality? What kind of message does it send to gay youth that the organization has sterilized all their staff of gay people. How much understanding are gay youth going to really receive if there are no gay adults in the organization?

    Is it based on the old stereotype that the gay adults will molest the boys, or something?

    You either support equality or you don't. Why is it so hard for some organizations to accept that gay adults are functional, regular people in society who just want to make a living and pursue happiness like anyone else? Why is there such an underlying fear that gay people are going to talk non-stop about being gay all the time, when that virtually never happens in employment situations???

    Boy Scouts is being ridiculous. They can't seem to make up their minds on public relations and discrimination policy. This compromise is not saving face, it's just making them look like bigots all the same. I would never send my kids to this organization.

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    Re: Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I really don't get what boy scouts is trying to accomplish here.

    Wouldn't having gay adults be complimentary to having gay youth, since the adults would be in a mentorship position to help youth answer difficult questions about their sexuality? What kind of message does it send to gay youth that the organization has sterilized all their staff of gay people. How much understanding are gay youth going to really receive if there are no gay adults in the organization?

    Is it based on the old stereotype that the gay adults will molest the boys, or something?

    You either support equality or you don't. Why is it so hard for some organizations to accept that gay adults are functional, regular people in society who just want to make a living and pursue happiness like anyone else? Why is there such an underlying fear that gay people are going to talk non-stop about being gay all the time, when that virtually never happens in employment situations???

    Boy Scouts is being ridiculous. They can't seem to make up their minds on public relations and discrimination policy. This compromise is not saving face, it's just making them look like bigots all the same. I would never send my kids to this organization.

    While I agree completely, at least this is a step in the right direction.

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    Re: Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    There's no need for bigotry here.
    Your OP in the only thing I see with issues.
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    Re: Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Your OP in the only thing I see with issues.

    and here they are

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    Re: Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I really don't get what boy scouts is trying to accomplish here.

    Wouldn't having gay adults be complimentary to having gay youth, since the adults would be in a mentorship position to help youth answer difficult questions about their sexuality? What kind of message does it send to gay youth that the organization has sterilized all their staff of gay people. How much understanding are gay youth going to really receive if there are no gay adults in the organization?

    Is it based on the old stereotype that the gay adults will molest the boys, or something?

    You either support equality or you don't. Why is it so hard for some organizations to accept that gay adults are functional, regular people in society who just want to make a living and pursue happiness like anyone else? Why is there such an underlying fear that gay people are going to talk non-stop about being gay all the time, when that virtually never happens in employment situations???

    Boy Scouts is being ridiculous. They can't seem to make up their minds on public relations and discrimination policy. This compromise is not saving face, it's just making them look like bigots all the same. I would never send my kids to this organization.
    It's a compromise. They're trying to keep all of their troops, and their tax exempt status as well. See post 11.
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    Re: Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

    Not perfect, as I see no reason why there also can't be gay adult leaders, but this is great news, and hopefully it passes.

    The BSA is a wonderful organization that has done a lot of people, myself included, a tremendous amount of good. Hopefully, they will open up their doors to another segment of the country's youth.
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    Re: Boy Scouts to consider lifting ban on openly gay youths

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Yes, one incident since 1988, and it was in 2006.

    Oh I think it's perfectly clear. Although not conclusive, one cannot deny that disallowing gay men from being scout masters ended molestation in the boy scouts. Is that a little more clear?

    Now the real question is how odd that this happened? Why do you suppose molestation of young boys ended? Sure they instituted other policies, that's why I said one cannot completely draw definitive conclusions that it was ONLY about gay men, but it sure is odd. As odd I imagine as allowing straight men as scout masters of young girls. Common sense says it's probably not a good idea.. Wouldn't you agree?

    Tim-
    Except that the ban on homosexual leaders has been in effect since 1980, and there were plenty of sex abuse cases between 1980 and 1994. So, gay leaders had nothing to do with it. I guess "common sense" is quite wrong in this instance. And, of course, most convicted men that molest boys are heterosexual in their adult relationships. But you've attempted to conflate homosexuality and pedophilia many many times. There's nothing new here.
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