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humbolt said:

I bet they'll attempt to try him as an enemy combatant. That'll be a hard slog.

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I don't think they'll be able to do that, since he's an American citizen.

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apdst said:

Jihadists are MUSLIM terrorists. McVeigh wasn't a Muslim.

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A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist.

What differance does it make calling them for what they are: terrorists.

What differance does it make to call muslim terrorists jihadists instead of terrorists.

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apdst said:

I'm talking about all the Islamic terrorists that have been convicted since 9/11.

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Now, are these terrorists who actually committed the act? Or are these terrorists who had their act foiled?

There is quite a difference.

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SheWolf said:

I am confused who he considers a jihadist and not a jihadist. Are people fighting a war jihadists? Are they just terrorists committing acts on American soil?

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I don't freaking know.

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apdst said:

I don't think they'll be able to do that, since he's an American citizen.

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There was Al Awlaki. There is no more.

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Bronson said:

He was also an Atheist and a Pothead

Macveigh was a Left Wing Terrorist just like Ayers, the Unibomber, and now the Left Wing Obama supporters that just detonated bombs at the Boston marathon

Obama started his political career in the living room of a known left wing terrorist

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What in gods name makes you think timmothy Macveigh was a left wing terrorist.

He blew up a federal building, that sounds more like right wing terror than left wing terror.

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Bronson said:

He was also an Atheist and a Pothead

Macveigh was a Left Wing Terrorist just like Ayers, the Unibomber, and now the Left Wing Obama supporters that just detonated bombs at the Boston marathon

Obama started his political career in the living room of a known left wing terrorist

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It's ****ing disgusting when people immediately jump to political ideology and declaring a person a part of a mainstream side with the case in Arizona and it's disgusting in this case as well.

The people who have done these horrible acts have as much to do with the every day democrat when it comes to these type of things as they have to do with every day males or every day 20 year olds or any other random group you want.

Disgusting, plain and simple. The lowest of low in terms of politics.

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polgara said:

His age might make a difference in his favor! However, I can't imagine the prospect of looking at year after year after year of being locked up! :shock:

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I grew up here. I'm aware that people let "ponderings" interfere with their judgement................................

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apdst said:

Jihadists are MUSLIM terrorists. McVeigh wasn't a Muslim.

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What is the diffetence between what McVeigh? Its both terrorism.

It looks like your the one promoting terrorists be looked at and treated differently, being you insist on calling them different names

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Forget it.

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Unitedwestand13 said:

A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist.

What differance does it make calling them for what they are: terrorists.

What differance does it make to call muslim terrorists jihadists instead of terrorists.

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I believe his point...right or wrong....is that he would like to see terrorists be terrorists be terrorists. But he's suggesting that islamic terrorists seemingly don't get the death penalty while non-islamic terrorists, like McVeigh, do.

Then again, if that was the case...the Ted Kazinski and Eric Rudolph would've gotten the death penalty as well...

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apdst said:

I'm talking about all the Islamic terrorists that
have been convicted since 9/11.

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Who are you talking about?

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Jredbaron96 said:

McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anoiting of the sick before he died.

Which is why he was a registered repbulican and voted for Harry Browne, right?

They were not left wing Obama supporters.

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Moot said:

McViegh was a card carrying NRA Libertarian. Please stop lying.

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And right on cue we have someone ready to point a finger back going "Nuh uh! He's on your side".

And people wonder why the political climate in this country is so ****ed up. Because of **** like this. Both sides cherry picking information aiming not to get anywhere near to a rational and realistic discussion on something but simply trying to push the best selection of propaganda to rape the bodies of the dead for their political purposes.

Wonderful to see this sickening mindset goes around to all sides.

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SheWolf said:

What is the diffetence between what McVeigh? Its both terrorism.

It looks like your the one promoting terrorists be looked at and treated differently, being you insist on calling them different names

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If terrorism is terrorism, then why was mcVeigh the only one executed?

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Bronson said:

He was also an Atheist and a Pothead

Macveigh was a Left Wing Terrorist just like Ayers, the Unibomber, and now the Left Wing Obama supporters that just detonated bombs at the Boston marathon

Obama started his political career in the living room of a known left wing terrorist

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McVeigh wore KKK shirts, hated taxes, hated gun control, went to gun shows, was extremely anti-government, etc, etc.

Yeah, was REALLY left-wing :roll: Get a grip.

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Zyphlin said:

And right on cue we have someone ready to point a finger back going "Nuh uh! He's on your side".

And people wonder why the political climate in this country is so ****ed up. Because of **** like this. Both sides cherry picking information aiming not to get anywhere near to a rational and realistic discussion on something but simply trying to push the best selection of propaganda to rape the bodies of the dead for their political purposes.

Wonderful to see this sickening mindset goes around to all sides.

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I did not point the finger. I proved him wrong. If I had said, "He was a right-wing/Republican/libretarian terrorist, or committed his actions because at the time he was a catholic, then yeah, I would be just as much of a hack.

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apdst said:

If terrorism is terrorism, then why was mcVeigh the only one executed?

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Who are you complaining about not getting executed? Who got a life sentence or less for a sucessful terrorist attack?

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Zyphlin said:

And right on cue we have someone ready to point a finger back going "Nuh uh! He's on your side".

And people wonder why the political climate in this country is so ****ed up. Because of **** like this. Both sides cherry picking information aiming not to get anywhere near to a rational and realistic discussion on something but simply trying to push the best selection of propaganda to rape the bodies of the dead for their political purposes.

Wonderful to see this sickening mindset goes around to all sides.

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When someone says McVeigh, Obama, and those who committed the atrocities in Boston are somehow buddy buddies IN THE WAKE OF WHEN THOSE ATROCITIES ARE UNFOLDING, you call them out on their BS.

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Good thing justice is normally blind to political idealogy.

And the ultamite judges in heaven- or hades depending on the context- are also blind and impossable to corrupt.

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apdst said:

If terrorism is terrorism, then why was mcVeigh the only one executed?

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Likely because he succeeded in doing the largest terror attack in US history at that time.

Other than KSM, none of those that we've gotten since then come close to that. They're more closely related, if anything to, Terry Nichols. His accomplice. Who you'll note...DIDN'T get the death penalty. You'll also note, he wasn't a jihadist.

Or you'll note Ted Kaczynski...not an islamist, not put to death.

Or Eric Rudolph. Take a guess....yep, not a jihadist. Sentence? Life in prison...not the death penalty.

But nice job cherry picking a single one and acting like "OMG only jihadist terrorists don't get the death penalty"

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zstep18 said:

When someone says McVeigh, Obama, and those who committed the atrocities in Boston are somehow buddy buddies IN THE WAKE OF WHEN THOSE ATROCITIES ARE UNFOLDING, you call them out on their BS.

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One can call them out on their BS (guess what, I did just that) without attempting to turn the finger around and go "NUH UH! It was the right wing/republicans/libertarians!"

McVeigh had so many ****ing bat**** insane views and constantly shifting beliefs that to honestly attempt to place him in line with either sides modern leans of ideology is just nothing but pure political posturing. IF he was a politician rather than a terrorist both sides basically would've been treating him like a nutball that neither would claim because he had enough views displeasing to both.

Don't feed me the bull that people were just trying to "call out" BS. Bull****. They were trying to call out BS and put forward their own BS all at the same time. Not a single one of them was any better, noble, or different than Bronson...they just tried to be less inflammatory about their disgusting political ploys of attempting to blame a mainstream ideology for the work of a madman.

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People like McVeigh, people like these guys...they are so far off the reservation in terms of the every day person that attempting to group them with any of them is ridiculous and is nothing but an emotional appeal to attempt to attack. It's the exact same premise that is at the heart of Godwin's law. These people are sick individuals with something messed up with their head..they're not republicans or democrats or anything else typically in the sense that is so often used to attack. They're ****ed up people, that's what they are.

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Bonzai said:

I grew up here. I'm aware that people let "ponderings" interfere with their judgement................................

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We don't know yet how much involvement he had. At the very least, I would think he would be an accessory in commiting an act of terrorism. This will be interesting...Some of those at Gitmo were deported eventually, weren't they?

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Zyphlin said:

One can call them out on their BS (guess what, I did just that) without attempting to turn the finger around and go "NUH UH! It was the right wing/republicans/libertarians!"

McVeigh had so many ****ing bat**** insane views and constantly shifting beliefs that to honestly attempt to place him in line with either sides modern leans of ideology is just nothing but pure political posturing. IF he was a politician rather than a terrorist both sides basically would've been treating him like a nutball that neither would claim because he had enough views displeasing to both.

Don't feed me the bull that people were just trying to "call out" BS. Bull****. They were trying to call out BS and put forward their own BS all at the same time. Not a single one of them was any better, noble, or different than Bronson...they just tried to be less inflammatory about their disgusting political ploys of attempting to blame a mainstream ideology for the work of a madman.

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People like McVeigh, people like these guys...they are so far off the reservation in terms of the every day person that attempting to group them with any of them is ridiculous and is nothing but an emotional appeal to attempt to attack. It's the exact same premise that is at the heart of Godwin's law. These people are sick individuals with something messed up with their head..they're not republicans or democrats or anything else typically in the sense that is so often used to attack. They're ****ed up people, that's what they are.

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Fair enough. It was a sensitive, probably somewhat knee-jerk reaction on my part.

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Bronson said:

He was also an Atheist and a Pothead

Macveigh was a Left Wing Terrorist just like Ayers, the Unibomber, and now the Left Wing Obama supporters that just detonated bombs at the Boston marathon

Obama started his political career in the living room of a known left wing terrorist

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Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wong.
Ayers, as far as I know, never killed or inured anyone.