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Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83,846]

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KevinKohler said:
I heard, specifically, the word grenade, used. Not improvised explosive device, which is what you make with hardware store supplies.
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And of course the news has been meticulous with word use and getting every fact perfect, so obviously they could never say "grenade" if it wasn't a "grenade".
 
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Moot said:
Here are some alledged quotes from the older brother that give some insight to his motives.....or might not....
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Hmmm... very religious Muslim... posted Al Qaeda propaganda videos to his youtube account. I'm stumped for a motive here.
 
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Meh, this seige could last for hours....I'm gonna take a break. Sounds like they're going to get their man dead or alive regardless. But I hope alive so he will know real suffering....in prison. Later.
 
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jmotivator said:
Hmmm... very religious Muslim... posted Al Qaeda propaganda videos to his youtube account. I'm stumped for a motive here.
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Well don't let your own prejudices influence your thinking. Too many wrong conclusions of late.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
He didn't say that he "hated" Americans. Also, the rest of your post is just speculation.
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Hmmm... he had no American friends, didn't understand them, and blew them up... yeah, maybe I was a bit quick to conclude he hated Americans.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
He didn't say that he "hated" Americans. Also, the rest of your post is just speculation.
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Tamerlan says: "I don't have a single American friend, I don't understand them."
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Yes, he loved Americans....
 
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Moot said:
Well don't let your own prejudices influence your thinking. Too many wrong conclusions of late.
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Don't go so overboard with being PC that you lose the ability to think rationally. These guys were/are Muslim extremists, any way you slice it. The fact that anyone believes that that it is somehow insensitive to state this fact out loud is a poor reflection on our society, in my opinion.
 
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jmotivator said:
Hmmm... he had no American friends, didn't understand them, and blew them up... yeah, maybe I was a bit quick to conclude he hated Americans.
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You said that he stated he "hated Americans" in his own words. He didn't.

You know? I was in this thread with several others early this morning and in terms of interactions with one another, it was snark free and good faith conversation. It's a shame that that had to go.
 
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To be honest, I'd say I'm shocked at this being a Chechen Muslim. They're not really into blowing up Westerners as much as their Arab/African counterparts.
 
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j-mac said:
Yes, he loved Americans....
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I was the first one in those threads to post those quotes. I know what he said. I also didn't say that he said he "loved them". I said that he didn't say he "hated" them as another poster claimed. Why is it so important for you and others to come into this thread with such attitudes? Jesus Christ. Most of us are coming at this from a good faith angle.
 
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Hatuey said:
To be honest, I'd say I'm shocked at this being a Chechen Muslim. They're not really into blowing up Westerners as much as their Arab/African counterparts.
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They do have a history of blowing up civilians, though.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
I was the first one in those threads to post those quotes. I know what he said. I also didn't say that he said he "loved them". I said that he didn't say he "hated" them as another poster claimed. Why is it so important for you and others to come into this thread with such attitudes? Jesus Christ. Most of us are coming at this from a good faith angle.
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I think it is a natural conclusion for anyone to rationally come to, considering that these two planted bombs to injure, maim, and or kill as many Americans as possible, including the older one placing the bomb he had right next to two children, that he does not like, or 'hates' Americans.

Jesus Christ, yourself.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
I was the first one in those threads to post those quotes. I know what he said. I also didn't say that he said he "loved them". I said that he didn't say he "hated" them as another poster claimed. Why is it so important for you and others to come into this thread with such attitudes? Jesus Christ. Most of us are coming at this from a good faith angle.
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Good faith went out the window when the bombs detonated. If it will make you feel better, we could temper the hate by saying that they dispassionately and indiscriminately murdered and maimed nearly two hundred innocents. Feel better?
 
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j-mac said:
I think it is a natural conclusion for anyone to rationally come to, considering that these two planted bombs to injure, maim, and or kill as many Americans as possible, including the older one placing the bomb he had right next to two children, that he does not like, or 'hates' Americans.

Jesus Christ, yourself.
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Let me repeat this: I wasn't debating that it was a "natural conclusion." I was debating the assertion that the bomber said, in his own words, that he "hates Americans." He didn't say that. Other people such as yourself concluded it.
 
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Hatuey said:
To be honest, I'd say I'm shocked at this being a Chechen Muslim. They're not really into blowing up Westerners as much as their Arab/African counterparts.
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But are you surprised he was a Muslim?
 
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KevinKohler said:
I heard, specifically, the word grenade, used. Not improvised explosive device, which is what you make with hardware store supplies.
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Everything up to this point has been improvised. If they had they had real grenades, they would not have used pressure cookers. I am pretty sure given the chaotic news reporting and the fact to most people anything these asshats threw was a grenade, that these were indeed improvised grenades (which would also be considered IEDs). Just my professional opinion.
 
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humbolt said:
Good faith went out the window when the bombs detonated. If it will make you feel better, we could temper the hate by saying that they dispassionately and indiscriminately murdered and maimed nearly two hundred innocents. Feel better?
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I didn't let my good faith in other people go out the window when the bombs detonated. I'm better than that. I'm still capable of having good faith conversations with other people who, like me, are just interested in accurate information. I don't see how someone else's disgusting behavior would require me to follow suit.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
You said that he stated he "hated Americans" in his own words. He didn't.

You know? I was in this thread with several others early this morning and in terms of interactions with one another, it was snark free and good faith conversation. It's a shame that that had to go.
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But, when you make excuses for these clowns by blaming society, you expect that to go unchallenged.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Let me repeat this: I wasn't debating that it was a "natural conclusion." I was debating the assertion that the bomber said, in his own words, that he "hates Americans." He didn't say that. Other people such as yourself concluded it.
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Maybe people concluded that because he indiscriminately bombed innocent Americans, killing three and doing irreparable harm to scores of others. The bombs were not a sign of affection, no matter what you've been told.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
I didn't let my good faith in other people go out the window when the bombs detonated. I'm better than that. I'm still capable of having good faith conversations with other people who, like me, are just interested in accurate information. I don't see how someone else's disgusting behavior would require me to follow suit.
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What disgusting behavior? Blowing innocent people up, or the temerity of those of us who label people who blow others up as hateful ****s?
 
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apdst said:
But, when you make excuses for these clowns by blaming society, you expect that to go unchallenged.
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Not a single person in this thread has made excuses for anyone. This entire thread, until very recently, has been about gathering information with some casual speculation.
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Don't go so overboard with being PC that you lose the ability to think rationally. These guys were/are Muslim extremists, any way you slice it. The fact that anyone believes that that it is somehow insensitive to state this fact out loud is a poor reflection on our society, in my opinion.
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In all fairness, I think it more accurate to state that they are most likely Islamic extremist terrorists at this point in time given their background and events. We really do not know for sure.
 
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ThePlayDrive said:
Let me repeat this: I wasn't debating that it was a "natural conclusion." I was debating the assertion that the bomber said, in his own words, that he "hates Americans." He didn't say that. Other people such as yourself concluded it.
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Yes, we do conclude that. it is a rational response.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Guys, I suggest everyone go back and read the warning in post 83. To sum it up...cut the baiting, cut the attempts to go after each other personally, cut the sarcastic responses to each other, and stick to discussing the topic itself in this thread.
 
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j-mac said:
Yes, we do conclude that. it is a rational response.
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Why do you keep repeating this, though? I was never debating whether or not your conclusion was rational. I was countering the claim that the suspect had said that he "hated Americans."
 
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