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Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83,846]

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Lots of speculation. While we know the older brother, at least, is religious, and muslim, we don't know that THAT is the cause of this. They have lived here for ten years. So, if all of a sudden they decided to go sectarian and blow stuff up for the cause, the operative question has to be, when, and where, and who convinced them of this?

The worst thing you can do is draw a conclusion, at this point. Any number of possibilities are still on the table.

It seems to me, that with the number of explosives these guys have been tossing, and apparently grenades as well, that they have been preparing for this for a while...months, maybe even a year or two. This was not a, "Hey, I got a couple bad grades, let's go blow up the Boston Marathon!". This was a planned attack. But why? I doubt they are sleeper cells that have been in the country for a decade. Just seems unlikely. The FBI is probably going to do a pretty in depth study of the last couple of years on these fellas, and hopefully, spill some of those beans for the rest of us. Till then...no one knows ****.
 
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Can we please cut the snark and BS? We had a good thread for a long time and now it's devolving. Let's not.
 
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New group we must cater to? Why?

Why must we cater to them? Did I mention this? No. I'm simply saying that being alienated is pretty easy, even in the great melting pot. Cult members all fit into a very specific profile.
 
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Thousands of cult members disagree with you, every year.


This douche bag was an angry, hateful sh*t that wanted everyone to bend to his religious beliefs... it's a wonder this charmer didn't have more friends!
 
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FNC reporting that Logan airport has been closed.
 
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Lots of speculation. While we know the older brother, at least, is religious, and muslim, we don't know that THAT is the cause of this. They have lived here for ten years. So, if all of a sudden they decided to go sectarian and blow stuff up for the cause, the operative question has to be, when, and where, and who convinced them of this?

The worst thing you can do is draw a conclusion, at this point. Any number of possibilities are still on the table.

It seems to me, that with the number of explosives these guys have been tossing, and apparently grenades as well, that they have been preparing for this for a while...months, maybe even a year or two. This was not a, "Hey, I got a couple bad grades, let's go blow up the Boston Marathon!". This was a planned attack. But why? I doubt they are sleeper cells that have been in the country for a decade. Just seems unlikely. The FBI is probably going to do a pretty in depth study of the last couple of years on these fellas, and hopefully, spill some of those beans for the rest of us. Till then...no one knows ****.
As I posted earlier, the older brother gave an interview a while back talking about how he feels alienated from Americans and how he's become very religious and disgusted with the culture. It sounds like the older brother influenced the younger brother since the younger one apparently had American friends and blended in well.
 
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This douche bag was an angry, hateful sh*t that wanted everyone to bend to his religious beliefs... it's a wonder this charmer didn't have more friends!

Show me some sources for this information. I'd like to know more about them. You seem to know, so share, please.
 
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As I posted earlier, the older brother gave an interview a while back talking about how he feels alienated from Americans and how he's become very religious and disgusted with the culture. It sounds like the older brother influenced the younger brother since the younger one apparently had American friends and blended in well.

There are lots of people that are both very religious, even muslim, and plenty more who are disgusted with american culture. Hell, I'M disgusted by american culture...on at least a daily basis.

None of the rest of us, though, blow **** up. What I'm wondering, is what makes this dude different from me, and did he have help? Where DO you buy grenades from, anyway?
 
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As I posted earlier, the older brother gave an interview a while back talking about how he feels alienated from Americans and how he's become very religious and disgusted with the culture.

You don't think there is any chance that is a load of BS fed to him by his Mosque handler?

Since when do we take cult testimony as fact?
 
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show me some sources for this information. I'd like to know more about them. You seem to know, so share, please.

He blew up the Boston Marathon.
 
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he blew up the boston marathon.

I'm not interested in the results of whatever caused it, but the CAUSE.

In other words, blowing up the boston marathon...is old news to me. What I want to know is, was this an attack carried out by "useful idiots" for a larger cause, like one terrorist group or another, or was this just one dude on a mission? And if it was the former, when and where did this kid hook up with another organization, and how? If it was the later, where did he get grenades? Ebay?
 
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There are lots of people that are both very religious, even muslim, and plenty more who are disgusted with american culture. Hell, I'M disgusted by american culture...on at least a daily basis.

None of the rest of us, though, blow **** up. What I'm wondering, is what makes this dude different from me, and did he have help? Where DO you buy grenades from, anyway?

You go to Lowes/Home Depot/Ace hardware and a drugstore/grocery store to buy what you need and make them...
 
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You go to Lowes/Home Depot/Ace hardware and a drugstore/grocery store to buy what you need and make them...

I heard, specifically, the word grenade, used. Not improvised explosive device, which is what you make with hardware store supplies.
 
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So April 15th was a hallmark day in Russia-Chechen relations but beyond that these attacks carried no symbolism whatsoever. In short, this was a non-sensical attack by people totally whacked in the brain that carried no symbolism whatsoever really. People just killed because they could.
 
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So April 15th was a hallmark day in Russia-Chechen relations but beyond that these attacks carried no symbolism whatsoever. In short, this was a non-sensical attack by people totally whacked in the brain that carried no symbolism whatsoever really. People just killed because they could.

How do you know?
 
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There are lots of people that are both very religious, even muslim, and plenty more who are disgusted with american culture. Hell, I'M disgusted by american culture...on at least a daily basis.

None of the rest of us, though, blow **** up. What I'm wondering, is what makes this dude different from me, and did he have help? Where DO you buy grenades from, anyway?
Given that he and his brother are responsible for a terrorist attack in the USA, I think his comment, "I do not have a single American friend, I don't understand them" and his expressions of disgust with American culture are perhaps a bit more intense than whatever disgust your or I have with American culture.

That said, this is just a theory based on some information we have about one of the bombers. It might be nothing and I'm not interested in arguing.
 
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I'm not interested in the results of whatever caused it, but the CAUSE.

In other words, blowing up the boston marathon...is old news to me. What I want to know is, was this an attack carried out by "useful idiots" for a larger cause, like one terrorist group or another, or was this just one dude on a mission? And if it was the former, when and where did this kid hook up with another organization, and how? If it was the later, where did he get grenades? Ebay?

Islamic extremists have been promoting lone wolf attacks on U.S. events and describing ways to do it for several years. Many of them feel it is the most effective way to conduct Jihad. Larger plans are more likely to be discoverd. Do a search for "Inspire" magazine.
 
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How do you know?

Nothing I have heard about the victims would indicate they were anything more than random targets.
 
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Islamic extremists have been promoting lone wolf attacks on U.S. events and describing ways to do it for several years. Many of them feel it is the most effective way to conduct Jihad. Larger plans are more likely to be discoverd. Do a search for "Inspire" magazine.
As a side note, we don't know if they are "islamic extremists" at this point. A former higher up in the Dept. of Homeland Security made it clear that it's too earlier to draw firm conclusions on that.
 
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Lots of speculation. While we know the older brother, at least, is religious, and muslim, we don't know that THAT is the cause of this. They have lived here for ten years. So, if all of a sudden they decided to go sectarian and blow stuff up for the cause, the operative question has to be, when, and where, and who convinced them of this?

The worst thing you can do is draw a conclusion, at this point. Any number of possibilities are still on the table.

It seems to me, that with the number of explosives these guys have been tossing, and apparently grenades as well, that they have been preparing for this for a while...months, maybe even a year or two. This was not a, "Hey, I got a couple bad grades, let's go blow up the Boston Marathon!". This was a planned attack. But why? I doubt they are sleeper cells that have been in the country for a decade. Just seems unlikely. The FBI is probably going to do a pretty in depth study of the last couple of years on these fellas, and hopefully, spill some of those beans for the rest of us. Till then...no one knows ****.

Here are some alledged quotes from the older brother that give some insight to his motives.....or might not....

Tamerlan says he doesn't usually take his shirt off so girls don't get bad ideas: "I'm very religious."

Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee.

Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: "I don't have a single American friend, I don't understand them."

Tamerlan says he doesn't drink or smoke anymore: "God said no alcohol." A muslim, he says: "There are no values anymore," and worries that "people can't control themselves."

Original source: http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com...000VQW7v6xWA7o (highlight photos to get quotes from Tamerlan)

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...atertown-boston-w-83-a-17.html#post1061709638
 
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As a side note, we don't know if they are "islamic extremists" at this point. A former higher up in the Dept. of Homeland Security made it clear that it's too earlier to draw firm conclusions on that.
I think thats the first I've heard anyone mention Homeland Security during this entire ordeal. I was starting to wonder if they still existed...and if so, why?
 
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I'm not interested in the results of whatever caused it, but the CAUSE.

He hated Americans and wanted nothing to do with them, by his own words. That tends not to attract many friends in America. He alienated himself. The attempt to find the precise moment where a hug would have changed his life is absolutely worthless.

In other words, blowing up the boston marathon...is old news to me. What I want to know is, was this an attack carried out by "useful idiots" for a larger cause, like one terrorist group or another, or was this just one dude on a mission? And if it was the former, when and where did this kid hook up with another organization, and how? If it was the later, where did he get grenades? Ebay?

There is no word on whether the explosives used in the firefight were home made or military grenades. I would guess they were pipe bombs.
 
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Here are some alledged quotes from the older brother that give some insight to his motives.....or might not....

Haha, this is a good one:

A muslim, he says: "There are no values anymore," and worries that "people can't control themselves."

Projection, anyone?
 
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He hated Americans and wanted nothing to do with them, by his own words. That tends not to attract many friends in America. He alienated himself. The attempt to find the precise moment where a hug would have changed his life is absolutely worthless.
He didn't say that he "hated" Americans. Also, the rest of your post is just speculation.
 
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