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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But how can you debate what he said when you don't know what he said. Maybe he did say it at one time, maybe he didn't. Neither you or I know.

    Therefore we can only conclude his feelings by his actions, and everything appears to point to some level of hatred.
    I don't think you understand. We were debating his words in a SPECIFIC INTERVIEW. In that interview, he did not say that he "hated Americans."

    You know what? It doesn't even matter. I've repeated myself several times.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That I can agree with. I don't like a lot of speculation at the start of these things...but we're now 4 days in with actual names and information beginning to come out. I can understand speculation of all kinds occuring. It definitely would be nice if people didn't put on a huge attitude when they dislike the speculation of someone elses in this thread as it has been rather even toned for most of the day.
    Agreed. When the bombings first happened, I avoided speculation for the most part because there was literally no information to go by. At this point, I think speculation makes sense and is appropriate. We have names, pictures, hometowns, religion, etc. - a lot to think about. Even so, I'm not willing to conclude anything even if a theory seems to me to be "obvious" or "100% certain". I'm also weary of my own and others' prejudices. I've been reading a lot all over the internet and quite a few are using this opportunity to confirm their prejudices - that is troubling to me.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Uncle live at press conference on CNN.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Agreed. When the bombings first happened, I avoided speculation for the most part because there was literally no information to go by. At this point, I think speculation makes sense and is appropriate. We have names, pictures, hometowns, religion, etc. - a lot to think about. Even so, I'm not willing to conclude anything even if a theory seems to me to be "obvious" or "100% certain". I'm also weary of my own and others' prejudices. I've been reading a lot all over the internet and quite a few are using this opportunity to confirm their prejudices - that is troubling to me.
    I'm hearing that the younger brother became a naturalized citizen of the US, and the family has been living in MA for a number of years (at least 8). I'll have to try to source it later when Ilm not on my phone.


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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    To be honest, I'd say I'm shocked at this being a Chechen Muslim. They're not really into blowing up Westerners as much as their Arab/African counterparts.
    I'm not a bit shocked. There are Muslims all over the world that hate Americans.
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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm not a bit shocked. There are Muslims all over the world that hate Americans.
    Chechens really have no reason to hate the States though. If they're going to bomb anywhere, I'd expect it to be Moscow.
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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Their uncle on CNN is PISSED. He told the suspect to "turn himself and ask for forgiveness". He said that he's tarnishing the Chechen name. He said that the reason he thinks they attacked the marathon was because they were "losers" who essentially could not assimilate and build lives for themselves. He said he wants to "kneel in front of" the victims' families to share their grief and ask for forgiveness. He was also certain to say that this shouldn't be blamed on Islam or Chechnya.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not a single person in this thread has made excuses for anyone. This entire thread, until very recently, has been about gathering information with some casual speculation.
    You can't make questionable comments,


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    Hell, when you're anybody who feels a strong sense of alienation, it's easy for that to happen to varying degrees.
    and then get mad when those comments are challenged.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Chechens really have no reason to hate the States though. If they're going to bomb anywhere, I'd expect it to be Moscow.
    There are Chechen Muslims that feel like they have a reason to hate Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I'm hearing that the younger brother became a naturalized citizen of the US, and the family has been living in MA for a number of years (at least 8). I'll have to try to source it later when Ilm not on my phone.
    Heard same from Robin Young with NPR this morning, her son went to high school with the younger suspect and was fairly good friends with him, he'd been in the states certainly more than a single year.

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