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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    What disgusting behavior? Blowing innocent people up, or the temerity of those of us who label people who blow others up as hateful ****s?
    I was talking about the bombers...

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Why do you keep repeating this, though? I was never debating whether or not your conclusion was rational. I was countering the claim that the suspect had said that he "hated Americans."
    It's been said that "actions speak louder than words". Perhaps his actions suggest he harbored some resentments.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Maybe people concluded that because he indiscriminately bombed innocent Americans, killing three and doing irreparable harm to scores of others. The bombs were not a sign of affection, no matter what you've been told.
    Unless it is a "Love Bomb"....

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Not a single person in this thread has made excuses for anyone. This entire thread, until very recently, has been about gathering information with some casual speculation.
    I agree with this. However, I will note that this is basically a parrelell in instances of rape where individuals suggest a victim had taken actions that helped place them in the given situation and people turning around proclaiming that someone is "blaming" the victim.

    I dno't believe anyone is trying to "blame" society or make an excuse for what these guys did. There are some who want to understand the mentality of the mand are speculating about that mentality...just as others are speculating about the reasoning of the individuals...but that's normal in these situations. While I'm not one to jump to conclussions until the facts are largely out, some people simply deal with these type of situations better if they can try to understand what is ultimately not understandable.

    The difference in the speculation is that generally those trying to figure out how their role in society caused them to go this route are the type of people who find solace in having an understanding for why something so horrific occured. Those that are generally speculating that they are islamic extremists that hate america are the type of people who find solance in having someone/something to blame and to further vindicate them as villians. Both are speculating and primarily doing it for their own peace of mind subconsiously, it just depends on what kind of thing actually helps that individuals mind.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Unless it is a "Love Bomb"....
    Those are clearly Asians; I'm calling BS.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    In all fairness, I think it more accurate to state that they are most likely Islamic extremist terrorists at this point in time given their background and events. We really do not know for sure.
    I think the time to use the phrase "most likely" expired when these guys were identified. There is no other rational conclusion anymore.
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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    There are lots of people that are both very religious, even muslim, and plenty more who are disgusted with american culture. Hell, I'M disgusted by american culture...on at least a daily basis.
    Because there's no such thing as "American culture." The notion that it exists is found only in the minds of clueless fools who buy into silly cliches such as American being a "melting pot." The US is merely a group of people who live and socialize within smaller groups, based on shared values, interests, or ethnicity.

    To succeed socially in the US, one need not attempt to blend in with anything, but merely assert one's true self based on objective self-analysis, and then find a space in society where that self is compatible (i. e. "turn on, tune in, drop out" as suggested by Leary).

    Attempting to merely "fit in" to one's immediate surroundings would only worsen one's life, as it would force him/her to be someone he/she is not. But regrettably, many foreigners, notably younguns, don't figure this out in time.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I was the first one in those threads to post those quotes. I know what he said. I also didn't say that he said he "loved them". I said that he didn't say he "hated" them as another poster claimed. Why is it so important for you and others to come into this thread with such attitudes? Jesus Christ. Most of us are coming at this from a good faith angle.
    What he said was that he hated our culture. I guess you could seperate culture from Americans. (Many europeans claim we don't have any though....)
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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    I think the time to use the phrase "most likely" expired when these guys were identified. There is no other rational conclusion anymore.
    They were 'most likely' Muslims as soon as we got the news. There is no need to turn away from that likelihood.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I agree with this. However, I will note that this is basically a parrelell in instances of rape where individuals suggest a victim had taken actions that helped place them in the given situation and people turning around proclaiming that someone is "blaming" the victim.

    I dno't believe anyone is trying to "blame" society or make an excuse for what these guys did. There are some who want to understand the mentality of the mand are speculating about that mentality...just as others are speculating about the reasoning of the individuals...but that's normal in these situations. While I'm not one to jump to conclussions until the facts are largely out, some people simply deal with these type of situations better if they can try to understand what is ultimately not understandable.

    The difference in the speculation is that generally those trying to figure out how their role in society caused them to go this route are the type of people who find solace in having an understanding for why something so horrific occured. Those that are generally speculating that they are islamic extremists that hate america are the type of people who find solance in having someone/something to blame and to further vindicate them as villians. Both are speculating and primarily doing it for their own peace of mind subconsiously, it just depends on what kind of thing actually helps that individuals mind.
    I agree with that. The vast majority of speculation in this thread has come out of trying to understand the mentality of the victims as you said. However, some speculation has come from other, less helpful, places - in my opinion. And, in both instances, it probably is rooted in attempting to find some peace of mind. I just have a hard time, in situations like these, when attempts to get such peace of mind ends up being disruptive and unhelpful.

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