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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Lots of speculation. While we know the older brother, at least, is religious, and muslim, we don't know that THAT is the cause of this. They have lived here for ten years. So, if all of a sudden they decided to go sectarian and blow stuff up for the cause, the operative question has to be, when, and where, and who convinced them of this?

    The worst thing you can do is draw a conclusion, at this point. Any number of possibilities are still on the table.

    It seems to me, that with the number of explosives these guys have been tossing, and apparently grenades as well, that they have been preparing for this for a while...months, maybe even a year or two. This was not a, "Hey, I got a couple bad grades, let's go blow up the Boston Marathon!". This was a planned attack. But why? I doubt they are sleeper cells that have been in the country for a decade. Just seems unlikely. The FBI is probably going to do a pretty in depth study of the last couple of years on these fellas, and hopefully, spill some of those beans for the rest of us. Till then...no one knows ****.
    Here are some alledged quotes from the older brother that give some insight to his motives.....or might not....

    Tamerlan says he doesn't usually take his shirt off so girls don't get bad ideas: "I'm very religious."

    Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee.

    Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: "I don't have a single American friend, I don't understand them."

    Tamerlan says he doesn't drink or smoke anymore: "God said no alcohol." A muslim, he says: "There are no values anymore," and worries that "people can't control themselves."

    Original source: http://johanneshirn.photoshelter.com...000VQW7v6xWA7o (highlight photos to get quotes from Tamerlan)

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061709638

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    As a side note, we don't know if they are "islamic extremists" at this point. A former higher up in the Dept. of Homeland Security made it clear that it's too earlier to draw firm conclusions on that.
    I think thats the first I've heard anyone mention Homeland Security during this entire ordeal. I was starting to wonder if they still existed...and if so, why?
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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I'm not interested in the results of whatever caused it, but the CAUSE.
    He hated Americans and wanted nothing to do with them, by his own words. That tends not to attract many friends in America. He alienated himself. The attempt to find the precise moment where a hug would have changed his life is absolutely worthless.

    In other words, blowing up the boston marathon...is old news to me. What I want to know is, was this an attack carried out by "useful idiots" for a larger cause, like one terrorist group or another, or was this just one dude on a mission? And if it was the former, when and where did this kid hook up with another organization, and how? If it was the later, where did he get grenades? Ebay?
    There is no word on whether the explosives used in the firefight were home made or military grenades. I would guess they were pipe bombs.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Here are some alledged quotes from the older brother that give some insight to his motives.....or might not....
    Haha, this is a good one:

    A muslim, he says: "There are no values anymore," and worries that "people can't control themselves."
    Projection, anyone?

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    He hated Americans and wanted nothing to do with them, by his own words. That tends not to attract many friends in America. He alienated himself. The attempt to find the precise moment where a hug would have changed his life is absolutely worthless.
    He didn't say that he "hated" Americans. Also, the rest of your post is just speculation.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I heard, specifically, the word grenade, used. Not improvised explosive device, which is what you make with hardware store supplies.
    And of course the news has been meticulous with word use and getting every fact perfect, so obviously they could never say "grenade" if it wasn't a "grenade".

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Here are some alledged quotes from the older brother that give some insight to his motives.....or might not....

    Hmmm... very religious Muslim... posted Al Qaeda propaganda videos to his youtube account. I'm stumped for a motive here.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Meh, this seige could last for hours....I'm gonna take a break. Sounds like they're going to get their man dead or alive regardless. But I hope alive so he will know real suffering....in prison. Later.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Hmmm... very religious Muslim... posted Al Qaeda propaganda videos to his youtube account. I'm stumped for a motive here.
    Well don't let your own prejudices influence your thinking. Too many wrong conclusions of late.

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    Re: Gunfire, explosions reported around Dexter Street in Watertown. (Boston)[W: 83]

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    He didn't say that he "hated" Americans. Also, the rest of your post is just speculation.
    Tamerlan says: "I don't have a single American friend, I don't understand them."
    Yes, he loved Americans....
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