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ThePlayDrive said:

From what I've seen, social media has been just as reliable as regular media. Some of the info has turned out to be accurate while some of it has turned out to be inaccurate. The same goes with the mainstream media. Today, people on social networks reported that the suspect was in custody. Two days ago CNN did the same thing. I haven't really seen a significant difference in the quality of reporting.

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The problem with social media with this one is that they're misleading and frustrating FBI efforts as much as helping. Like the asshat who announced to the world via twitter that the FBI was at his apartments. Thanks for letting them know we're coming guy.

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PirateMk1 said:

They are doing the best they can.

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...that's most certainly the case, and I have much respect for them. I'm just wondering whether this will have a lot of cities reevaluating their training programs to make sure that their officers are as prepared as can be for such situations. I'm sure there will be a lot of "lessons learned" from all of this that will help us react better in the future (but worried that the likelihood of future attacks is greater the longer this goes on).

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apdst said:

I believe they're approaching the point where it's going to be time to completely pull back and let this dude relax and show himself.

As long as the only people on the streets are cops, this guy is staying put; unless he's already skipped town and ain't lookin' back.

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I'm thinking he may have offed himself already.

I've never heard such glowing opinions of a killer in my life. How did such a seemingly well-adjusted, likable, active, accomplished, and integrated kid get sucked into all this.

His older brother was back and forth from the states, and he obviously had some issues with America. He looks like an al-Quaida recruit, or at least someone who heavily identified with them. I guess there was some hero worship involved or something, because the young guy seemed to have a very good life with a lot of friends and a great future ahead of him. Hard to fake it for 10 years throughout your childhood and college.

Where's his mom in all this? Who did he live with?

I hope they get this kid alive so we can find out how all this happened, but I'm not optimistic. Again, he might already be dead in a bush somewhere.

What kind of demon got into this kid? Just what kind of preaching does this to someone?

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donsutherland1 said:

You're right about CNN's reporting in particular early on. I pointed to social media, because there seems to be an expectation that one can learn sooner and just as accurately about developments from there. Instead, some info. is good, some is not. As with any major story, one should apply a dose of caution to early reports (traditional media or social media) until there is confirmation or corroboration. This is a fluid story and a lot of information is incomplete or yet to be determined.

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I actually heard it reported how many "friends" the young kid had on Facebook. Which is 77, in case your curious.

I mean, what the hell difference does that make?

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Chances are excellent that the kid is still in the area. Chances are pretty good that he's been hit by gun fire. He's likely holed up somewhere. He'll need to move - for water and maybe medical attention of some kind. He'll move after dark if he's still alive and in the area.

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Erod said:

I'm thinking he may have offed himself already.

I've never heard such glowing opinions of a killer in my life. How did such a seemingly well-adjusted, likable, active, accomplished, and integrated kid get sucked into all this.

His older brother was back and forth from the states, and he obviously had some issues with America. He looks like an al-Quaida recruit, or at least someone who heavily identified with them. I guess there was some hero worship involved or something, because the young guy seemed to have a very good life with a lot of friends and a great future ahead of him. Hard to fake it for 10 years throughout your childhood and college.

Where's his mom in all this? Who did he live with?

I hope they get this kid alive so we can find out how all this happened, but I'm not optimistic. Again, he might already be dead in a bush somewhere.

What kind of demon got into this kid? Just what kind of preaching does this to someone?

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Blood tends to be thicker than water.

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Erod said:

I'm thinking he may have offed himself already.

I've never heard such glowing opinions of a killer in my life. How did such a seemingly well-adjusted, likable, active, accomplished, and integrated kid get sucked into all this.

His older brother was back and forth from the states, and he obviously had some issues with America. He looks like an al-Quaida recruit, or at least someone who heavily identified with them. I guess there was some hero worship involved or something, because the young guy seemed to have a very good life with a lot of friends and a great future ahead of him. Hard to fake it for 10 years throughout your childhood and college.

Where's his mom in all this? Who did he live with?

I hope they get this kid alive so we can find out how all this happened, but I'm not optimistic. Again, he might already be dead in a bush somewhere.

What kind of demon got into this kid? Just what kind of preaching does this to someone?

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Taylor said:

You really think that was a possibility? You think that they may have had the capability to take out an entire block, but chose to do a couple of pressure cooker bombs on Monday instead, holding on to the big one just in case they found themselves corned and unable to take out two or three dozen cops with their rifles and pipe bombs - as a backup plan they could jump into the car and if the police stopped them THEN set off the big one.

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This is just me speculating, but I don't see it like that.

I don't think these guys choose to use the pressure cookers and hold on to the big one "just in case".

I think they choose to use the pressure cookers because they thought they were going to get away with it.

Whatever additional explosives they had available were for the next one, and the next one, and ...

Look at how things went down last night.

Those cats were absolutely scrambling; out robbing stores and carjacking folks at 10:30 at night.

Those images that the FBI circulated yesterday took these dudes completely by surprise.

The two of them had no real GTF out of Dodge plan, or at least not one that they could impliment immediately.

The box closed way more quickly then they ever suspected and when it did they went from cold-blooded, steely-eyed killers to amature hour.

Look at the kid's Twitter feed from Monday night and Tuesday, he's joking around like a clown. Sure he had to be nervous (I'd assume) but he didn't got to ground in any way at all. He's even cracking jokes about the victims.

Could they have packed a car with explosives and used it as a VBIED in an attempt to extricate themselves? I don't know.

But from the looks of things they had no such plan, or any real plan at all as far as it goes.

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We're (including journalists) still learning how to manage insta-info, and the "crowdsourcing" element is new. Appears that the FBI really was helped by regular citizens, including web-sleuth groups and social utilities. Brave new world that means more and more cameras recording our every move. Can't argue with the utility but do mourn the increasing loss of privacy.

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donsutherland1 said:

You're right about CNN's reporting in particular early on. I pointed to social media, because there seems to be an expectation that one can learn sooner and just as accurately about developments from there. Instead, some info. is good, some is not. As with any major story, one should apply a dose of caution to early reports (traditional media or social media) until there is confirmation or corroboration. This is a fluid story and a lot of information is incomplete or yet to be determined.

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I took what a college buddy of mine in Newtown CT with a grain of salt but he was right on the money with the age of the shooter--i fudged it a little bit when I repeated it to allow room for him being off a little but he wasn't. My friends in Cambridge have posted more or less the same things this week--mostly along the lines of what I think someone else posted at DP "WTF, this is Boston. This is not supposed to be happening here!!" Otherwise, they seem to be just as in the dark as everybody else.

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How did this leak? WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC!

Hospital Denies Involvement In Leak Of Grisly Post-Mortem Photo Of Boston Marathon Bomb Suspect | The Smoking Gun

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Fisher said:

I took what a college buddy of mine in Newtown CT with a grain of salt but he was right on the money with the age of the shooter--i fudged it a little bit when I repeated it to allow room for him being off a little but he wasn't. My friends in Cambridge have posted more or less the same things this week--mostly along the lines of what I think someone else posted at DP "WTF, this is Boston. This is not supposed to be happening here!!" Otherwise, they seem to be just as in the dark as everybody else.

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There's only one thing to do......Ban Backpacks!

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Erod said:

I'm thinking he may have offed himself already.

I've never heard such glowing opinions of a killer in my life. How did such a seemingly well-adjusted, likable, active, accomplished, and integrated kid get sucked into all this.

His older brother was back and forth from the states, and he obviously had some issues with America. He looks like an al-Quaida recruit, or at least someone who heavily identified with them. I guess there was some hero worship involved or something, because the young guy seemed to have a very good life with a lot of friends and a great future ahead of him.
What kind of demon got into this kid? Just what kind of preaching does this to someone?

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We may never know all of the facts behind this tragedy, but I am just going to guess that the younger brother was influenced by the older brother.

All that they have done is bring tragedy to innocent people and ultimately to themselves.

Let's hope that the younger brother is captured alive so that maybe we can learn what they hoped to accomplish by doing these horrible things.



"If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there." ~ Lewis Carroll

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Erod said:

How did this leak? WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC!

Hospital Denies Involvement In Leak Of Grisly Post-Mortem Photo Of Boston Marathon Bomb Suspect | The Smoking Gun

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That's unfortunate. I heard an ex-FBI agent talking on the Roe Show (he's been verified thru the show), (WLS-Chicago Radio) and he said law enforcement often leaks a photo when they're looking for "the other guy" because of the emotional reaction it may cause -- and the guy on the loose may do something stupid that gets him caught. He claims he's seen it done dozens of times . . .

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j-mac said:

There's only one thing to do......Ban Backpacks!

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Let's start with IED's, eh?

Then we'll talk about the other stuff.

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shrubnose said:

Let's start with IED's, eh?

Then we'll talk about the other stuff.

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So you are in favor of banning Backpacks? :shock:

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CNN reporting a whole lot of detail about last night's battle with the two. Including that the brother killed was wearing explosives.

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Fisher said:

I took what a college buddy of mine in Newtown CT with a grain of salt but he was right on the money with the age of the shooter--i fudged it a little bit when I repeated it to allow room for him being off a little but he wasn't. My friends in Cambridge have posted more or less the same things this week--mostly along the lines of what I think someone else posted at DP "WTF, this is Boston. This is not supposed to be happening here!!" Otherwise, they seem to be just as in the dark as everybody else.

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That shock value is what made the marathon such a juicy target.

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haymarket said:

Sounds like the motive that was behind the infamous Mitchell Palmer raids of 1919.

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It worked then, too.

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apdst said:

It worked then, too.

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It worked to do what exactly?

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PirateMk1 said:

You didn't read my WHOLE quote. I have history with the Chechen fighters who came over to the sandbox and helped hunt me and my comrades. I have lost some very good friends to the bastards. The bastards EARNED my enmity. Screw them and theirs. If all of them died tomorrow I wouldn't shed a tear. Might even dance a jig.

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So, going to war with a nationality justifies wishing death upon their entire people?

Can you imagine the number of innocents who have died at the died to at hands of the US government, who, according to your reasoning, should have that same justification?

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I can't believe they haven't caught him yet.

If the kid was wounded in the shootout last night, he might already be dead. Then he would become a stink bomb. jk i joke to lighten mood. hahaha.


He has a handgun, thats all the police seem to know.

I'm leaning toward the opinion that he was influenced by older brother to do this horrific act.

Here's a few tidbits I've heard about the family so far....it might be true...and it might not.....


The family are political refugees and moved to the US over a decade ago.

The older brother recently returned last November from 6 month trip to Russia. It was his first trip back since fleeing. Nobody knows who he saw, where he went or what he did over there. But it is speculated that he was radicalized during that period. The uncle said he told him he had married and had a child since they had last seen each other. No word on their whereabouts. But I think the brothers were also sharing an apartment.

The family seems to have been estranged from each other for years. The uncle hadn't seen the boys since 2005. However, the older brother apparently called him Thursday night out of the blue and told him that he loved him, which shocked the uncle because he hadn't seen or heard from him in years. The uncle helped ID the brothers to the FBI after he recognized them on tv.

The father moved back to Chechen Russia a few years ago. Nobody knows his involvement but he seems indenial or lying.

The mother was recently busted for shoplifting over $1000 in clothes from Lord Taylor in Philidelphia(?) not sure what city, but it wasn't Boston. (coincidence: one of the bombs was planted in front of a Lord Taylor store) The family were not practicing Muslims, but the mother may have started attending a mosque about a year ago.

There are two sisters, one lives in New Jersey and the other in Canada. Neither of them had seen their brothers in years.

It looks to me like the family was estranged from each other. Without parental figures present, I can see why the younger brother probably looked up to his older brother. A boxing coach said he followed his older brother around like a puppy.

The younger brother seemed just like a normal American kid and well liked. Thats why I think this was mostly the older brothers doing. He seemed to have a chip on his shoulder which made him easy prey for radicalizing.

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zstep18 said:

So, going to war with a nationality justifies wishing death upon their entire people?

Can you imagine the number of innocents who have died at the died to at hands of the US government, who, according to your reasoning, should have that same justification?

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So you are concerned with innocents killed in war, but seem rather casual about innocent Americans killed in an act of terrorism....hmmmmm....

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haymarket said:

It worked to do what exactly?

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To kill, arrest and deport hundreds of commies. Probably saved the country from the same fate as Europe.

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zstep18 said:

So, going to war with a nationality justifies wishing death upon their entire people?

Can you imagine the number of innocents who have died at the died to at hands of the US government, who, according to your reasoning, should have that same justification?

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While I understand your sentiment, we're not talking about a small band of Chechens. The percentage is high.

Think Hitler and the German common people. Did you hear the president of Chechnya today? He blamed America for the bombing.