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    Re: ObamaCare Taxes Will Increasingly Bite Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Of course it will bite the middle class.
    The lower class has no money and the upper class gets to write the rules so they don't have to pay for anything.
    If its effect was going to be so obvious, that it was going to place a huge amount of pressure on the very people who are struggling, then why did the Democrats support it ?

    Conservatives since day one have been warning of the effect of this disastrous law.

    Now you agree but blame it on the rich ?

    When Obama took up the causes of the young, radical idiots who comprised the Occupy crowd, when he injected his corrupt, leftist college level half brained agenda into a free market economy so he could appeal to the takers, not the creators the mass suffering of millions of American families was a given.

    This isn't the fault of "the rich", its the fault of every Democrat who voted for it and the President who signed it.

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    Re: ObamaCare Taxes Will Increasingly Bite Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, the most common increase recently to "paystubs" has been the rollback of the FICA holiday.Um, premiums have increased because the ins corps have decided to collect in advance for taxes they will pay on their PROFITS, taxes which have not yet gone into effect on unearned profits. We call that "gouging".

    Earned your employees?
    Health Actuaries: Obamacare Rates Will Soar - Healthy Living - Everyday Health

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    Re: ObamaCare Taxes Will Increasingly Bite Middle Class

    The SOA "portray themselves as this nonpartisan think tank when in fact everything about the study is by people who have a vested interest in the outcome of the study," said Birny Birnbaum, executive director of the Center for Economic Justice, a Texas group that advocates on behalf of financial and utility consumers.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: ObamaCare Taxes Will Increasingly Bite Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The SOA "portray themselves as this nonpartisan think tank when in fact everything about the study is by people who have a vested interest in the outcome of the study," said Birny Birnbaum, executive director of the Center for Economic Justice, a Texas group that advocates on behalf of financial and utility consumers.
    Believe what you want, because I know you will.

    Unlike you, I actually make these kind of decisions and deal directly with insurance providers. I know because I do. You're just guessing on the internet.

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    Re: ObamaCare Taxes Will Increasingly Bite Middle Class

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Believe what you want, because I know you will.

    Unlike you, I actually make these kind of decisions and deal directly with insurance providers. I know because I do. You're just guessing on the internet.
    I'm guessing....and you are linking to an article I doubt you read and one you definitely did not understand since it did in fact point to the opposite of you support. This, and the previous article showing what Baucus was REALLY concerned about (the need, in his view, of the administration to counter the misinformation about "Obamacare) just points to a lot of people here NOT understanding a whole lot.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: ObamaCare Taxes Will Increasingly Bite Middle Class

    it's pretty hard to get out solid information concerning a bill which even uber lib jay rockefeller, leading force in the creation of obamacare, calls "beyond comprehension"

    Obamacare creator Sen. Jay Rockefeller now says law 'beyond comprehension' - Washington Times

    "the law is so complicated and if it isnít done right the first time, it will just simply get worse," complains the retiring senator from west virginia, april 10

    whose responsibility is it?

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    Re: ObamaCare Taxes Will Increasingly Bite Middle Class

    What a ridiculous and Misplaced thread.
    It's a Study (and an Editorial), Not "Breaking News."
    A/Any 'Recent' article isn't necessarily 'Breaking News'.

    The 'News'? That in 20 YEARS, 'bracket creep' will hit the Middle Class! (the upper middle class anyway, if they don't adjust in 2 decades)
    Shattering! Urgent!

    Quote Originally Posted by breaking
    "...The single largest tax hike in ObamaCare is the one that boosts the Medicare payroll tax rate to 3.8% on family incomes over $250,000, and extends that tax to their investment earnings.

    Over the next decade, the Medicare surcharge will raise $318 billion, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.
    But these taxes, commonly described as targeting the rich, will soon hit middle-income families.

    That's because the Democrats who wrote the law did not index the income thresholds for inflation. So more and more families will end up paying these "wealthy" taxes simply because they are getting cost-of-living increases — a phenomenon known as "bracket creep."

    For example, in 20 Years, families with a combined income of $155,000 in today's dollars will face those higher Medicare taxes, assuming the inflation rate is the same as it's been for the past two decades."..."
    Breaking!
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    Re: ObamaCare Taxes Will Increasingly Bite Middle Class

    the economist, today:

    A CRUCIAL piece of Barack Obama’s health reforms will be in place in less than six months. That, at least, is the plan. New exchanges for buying insurance must be open on October 1st. Democrats intended the exchanges to be jostling markets, run by the 50 states, where individuals could shop for insurance. The White House insists that the deadline will be met and the exchanges will be a success. But many of Mr Obama’s allies are less sure.

    Obamacare’s implementation has always been torturous. Recent weeks have been particularly tough for the law’s proponents. A fierce debate over insurance premiums, as well as problems with the exchanges for individuals and small businesses, have highlighted an ever more obvious reality. The health-care law, in practice, will look rather different from what Democrats promised.
    More Troubling Signs For The Implementation Of ObamaCare | The Economist

    jostling exchanges?

    yeah, as thriving a market as a venezuelan grocery, stocked to the rafters with mustard, canned peaches and nothing else

    there was the HUGE problem announced just two weeks ago (you missed it)---the delay of shop implementation for a year

    USAToday: Feds delay small-business health care program

    it means that small businesses going thru the exchanges will, yes, indeed, have themselves a real live choice, as guaranteed by the campaigner-in-perpetuity, as promised repeatedly by the presidential teleprompter...

    a choice of exactly ONE product

    THIS is what the chair of senate finance (baucus) and the retiring 30-year chair of finance's subcommittee on health care (rockefeller) are griping about

    but you knew that

    there is then the problem of premiums, so many headlines, so many actuaries

    but, fair or not, no one (successfully) argues with cbo

    and elmendorf says +10 to +13%, premiums, that is

    the biggest bug is---26 states aren't playing

    that means kathleen (sebelius) has to do it

    and they didn't quite foresee the funding (evidently counting on bobby jindal's and rick perry's cooperation)

    Obamacare includes ample cash to help states with their exchanges. It gave less thought to how the federally run exchanges would be funded. Faced with an obstinate House of Representatives, HHS is on the scrounge. Mr Obama’s budget plan proposes diverting money from a fund meant to support preventive health care. This has irked Tom Harkin, a senator from Iowa, who on April 11th called it “totally illogical and self defeating.”
    no spin, wynn

    ask senator baucus
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    this morning

    ZEKE EMANUEL: And the last thing of course is what happens with cost, which may be the biggest question of all. Can the premiums be capped relatively stable and not growing at ten, twelve percent. The first year is filled with uncertainty. No one, not the hospitals, insurers, or the federal government, know how many people are going to come in. Are they going to be a broad representation of the uninsured or will only the sick come in? That is a big fear of the insurance companies. That why you're seeing an increase in the rates. They're worried, we'll only get the sick, we're going to pay a lot of money, so we're increasing the rates because of uncertainty.
    Obamacare Adviser Zeke Emanuel: Obamacare Uncertainity Driving Up Premiums | RealClearPolitics

    the ram's older brother was obama's special adviser for health policy as part of the omb

    which is exactly what the chair of senate finance and his subcommittee chair are bitching about

    the theme is---bite the middle class

    premiums, taxes, choice, quality...

    can YOU deny it?

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