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The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks...[W: 349]

Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

But you better listen to him, cause he owns a .38. :roll:

I have a few :mrgreen:. I also have a 60X PPC pin. I suspect he doesn't
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

I figured it wouldn't take long for the gun nuts to come crawling out of the woodwork like the cockroaches that they are.

when you make comments like that you prove that your desire for gun restrictions is based on your dislike of gun rights advocates rather than the violent criminals your side of the political aisle tends to be so supportive of
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

when you make comments like that you prove that your desire for gun restrictions is based on your dislike of gun rights advocates rather than the violent criminals your side of the political aisle tends to be so supportive of

That's kinda of funny since All the Left including Obama is out front and center crying and whining how they lost.....vowing they will not give up that good fight to try and take down the Constitution or get around it. That they will do anything to have their Rights imposed over everybody.....while giving more control to the Federal Government.
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

That is the Breaking News banner headline on cnn.com.

Fox News' banner reads: "SENATE REJECTS PLAN EXPANDING GUN BACKGROUNDCHECKS IN 54-46 VOTE"

Edit: And now there is a full link to include.

Background check plan defeated in Senate, Obama rips gun bill opponents | Fox News

The big lie, included in the OP quote:

The proposal would have expanded background checks to gun shows and Internet sales while exempting personal transactions.

This was never in the original bill and I can find no amendment proposed to make it so. I have posted the link to the actual bill; note that the words internet, gun show or private sale are not even mentioned in it.

The actual bill's opening description says it all:

To ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the national instant criminal background check system and require a background check for every firearm sale, and for other purposes.

Link to the real bill:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113s649pcs/pdf/BILLS-113s649pcs.pdf
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

its obvious you see incremental gun banning as a proper strategy

I would most certainly be in favor of more gun control than we have now.

For example, I consider the desire to own or posses an assault rifle by a civilian as prima facie evidence that said individual is mentally unstable and should be barred from owning or possessing any kind of firearm.
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

Funny how that percent keeps getting bigger and bigger every time I see it lol.

Last time I saw it, it was 103%, so support must be dropping if the 93% is accurate.
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

The big lie, included in the OP quote:



This was never in the original bill and I can find no amendment proposed to make it so. I have posted the link to the actual bill; note that the words internet, gun show or private sale are not even mentioned in it.

The actual bill's opening description says it all:

To ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the national instant criminal background check system and require a background check for every firearm sale, and for other purposes.

Link to the real bill:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113s649pcs/pdf/BILLS-113s649pcs.pdf

Note that When Reid read it from the Floor of the Senate that he called it Anti Gun Legislation. Recorded down for all of Posterity and Caught on Film too. To be Forever held within the Records of the Senate. ;)
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

The big lie, included in the OP quote:



This was never in the original bill and I can find no amendment proposed to make it so. I have posted the link to the actual bill; note that the words internet, gun show or private sale are not even mentioned in it.

The actual bill's opening description says it all:



Note that When Reid read it from the Floor of the Senate that he called it Anti Gun Legislation. Recorded down for all of Posterity and Caught on Film too. To be Forever held within the Records of the Senate. ;)

Yep. The actual bill, S. 649, was voted down yet the squeals from the losers were stating all sorts of alternate things had "really" occurred. The most amazing thing, IMHO, was that the bill, S. 649, contained $800 million in funding for getting more "bad folks" listed in the NICS database and extra funding for local "school security" yet ZERO allocation for any additional federal enforcement. I also assume that it was to be considered as "emergency" legislation since no "pay as you go" spending offsets were ever discussed either.
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

Even 3 Democrats voted against this Fascist gun grabbing nonsense

The American People want a growing economy and jobs. Not gun grabbing schemes from fascists like Obama and the Democrats

Take a deep breath and think for a minute. Turn off your right-wing propaganda. No one is coming after your guns. You can stop the hysteria. Despite what FauxNews is telling you....there was nothing about gun grabbing schemes going on.
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

Ah yes, we dont agree with your interpretation, so we must be stupid. Next youll say its racism, no doubt.

Its not a matter of "agreeing with interpretation". Its about educating yourself and having a minimal level of knowledge of how Supreme Court scrutiny works. You are simple dead wrong if you believe otherwise. Sorry. that is just the facts.
 
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Yes....I did. What part of "Do you believe it is the MOST important problem" do you not comprehend? Its a big leap to say that since people don't believe that it is the MOST important problem facing America that only 4% think it is important. NO.....what the poll says is that only 4% think it is the MOST important.......DOH!
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

The very sad reality is that until enough innocent blood washes over the nation - let us say an almost monthly occurrence of Sandy Hook or Aurora - the power and influence of the gun lobby will not be overcome. The gun lobby has been winning for a long time now and will continue to win.
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

Its not a matter of "agreeing with interpretation". Its about educating yourself and having a minimal level of knowledge of how Supreme Court scrutiny works. You are simple dead wrong if you believe otherwise. Sorry. that is just the facts.

So we're stupid.
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

The very sad reality is that until enough innocent blood washes over the nation - let us say an almost monthly occurrence of Sandy Hook or Aurora - the power and influence of the gun lobby will not be overcome. The gun lobby has been winning for a long time now and will continue to win.

Even then, the American Gun Owner is not going to blithly walk up to the police station with a bag full of firearms and turn them over simply because the Government doesn't like him or her having them. Nor is the American Gun Owner going to ever give the Government a list of those firearms. Nor are we going to allow the Government to oversee PRIVATE transactions that they have no need nor right to oversee.

I understand that many in the gun control crowd see the actions of governments in England, Scotland, Australia, and even Canada as wonderful ideals to strive towards. What these individuals need to understand is that the American Gun Owner is not like the citizenry of those nations. We will not walk up and disarm ourselves like good little sheep. Nor will we allow the Government of this nation, which many of us trust little, if at all, to gather information on what we have in terms of firearms and other self-defense apperatus.
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

I have a .38 revolver in my car too.

And I find it a major embarrassment to be a gun owner right now.

To me it's un****ingbelieveable that due to these knuckle dragging gun nuts this watered down gun background check law can't pass.

I'm ****ing disgusted with their paranoid asses.

I'm thinking it didn't pass on a cost/ effectiveness basis. The 40 % number of private sales is a farce and they know it. Imposing more regulation of legal gun owners would be considerable versus the effectiveness of such a bill. These guys vote based on their next election. I suspect they are looking past the BS numbers and are instead listening to their respective offices.

But there is something you can do personally. If you are for background checks (and keep in mind that many of us legal owners use the existing system as it is) don't buy a firearm without filling out a 4473 and don't sell privately. The government doesn't have to tell you to do it that way, you can do it yourself.
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

93% of Americans are in favor of background checks. Sad that 46 Senators lack a backbone to stand up to the NRA and the wacko gun lobby.

We can all speak out in 2014.
 
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I would most certainly be in favor of more gun control than we have now.

For example, I consider the desire to own or posses an assault rifle by a civilian as prima facie evidence that said individual is mentally unstable and should be barred from owning or possessing any kind of firearm.

I think that comes from a misunderstanding of the use of what you are calling assault rifles. An assault rifle is a full auto or select fire military weapon, and they are highly restricted with federal background check, a waiting period while the paperwork is processed, signing off on your ownership by your local law enforcement, a $200 tax stamp and conditions where federal officials can show up at any time to inspect said rifle. Oh, and there is this: Only one assault weapon has been used to commit a crime here in the states, and it was by a law enforcement officer.

Given that I talked to one of my favorite instructors last night at church. She is a 15 year old girl who just qualified last weekend on a full distance range (out to 400 yards) with an AR15. We were discussing the extra hold she had to calculate since she was shooting 55 grain bullets and her ACOG was calibrated for 62 grain bullets. All in all some nice shooting. Nobody was killed or injured. She just put 31 holes in a series of 4 paper targets. Did I mention the college scholarships she is looking at based on her shooting skills?
 
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Its not a matter of "agreeing with interpretation". Its about educating yourself and having a minimal level of knowledge of how Supreme Court scrutiny works. You are simple dead wrong if you believe otherwise. Sorry. that is just the facts.

It would be nice if the proponents of gun legislation would apply the same due diligence to understanding what they are trying to ban. You know, maybe knowing what a magazine is and what it does, what an "assault weapon" is, little things like that. But no, they are playing to their base who are every bit as clueless as they are.
 
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Yes....I did. What part of "Do you believe it is the MOST important problem" do you not comprehend? Its a big leap to say that since people don't believe that it is the MOST important problem facing America that only 4% think it is important. NO.....what the poll says is that only 4% think it is the MOST important.......DOH!

Does it matter though? Haven't you for years on this forum been proclaiming how popular opinion shouldn't dictate what restrictions are placed on Civil Rights? Or is that only the case in terms of civil rights you agree with?
 
The way the US Constitution is to be interpreted is: If it doesn't say you can, you can't. Anything that the US Constitution doesn't explicitly say the Federal government can do is to be left up to the states.

I don't see what's so difficult about that to a lot of people?
 
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You know, I had a guy in the shop yesterday, an old guy I've known a long time. The radio was on and there was a news update talking about what was being discussed in Congress. Harold pipes up and says he thinks it would be a good idea if they ban assault rifles. I was shocked because I know for a fact he keeps a. 38 revolver in his car, but he is literally the first person I have met in person who has said such a thing. Ever. So I shot him.

No I'm kidding. I changed his oil and sent him on his way. Of course he is entitled to his opinion, but I'm not buying 90%. I think it's more like the 54% we saw in the vote depending on how you ask the question. And if those folks want to be unarmed they can be. Their choice. But I'll keep mine, thank you.

I'm not sure what they are asking in these "polls". As we know, they can ask to get the answer they want. If they asked me if I am for background checks, I'd say yes. If they asked if I was for the passage of this bill, I'd say no.
 
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so which republican are y'all gonna punish in '14?

saxby chambliss? jeff sessions?

realistically, mary landrieu and kay hagan are for more likely to pay a price next year for actions taken yesterday

ZERO gop'ers will lose their seats in '14 due to opposition to gun control, background checks, whatever

93% notwithstanding

this morning on coffee joe, howard dean actually predicted the end of senator max baucus' career over this

he sees former gub schweitzer coming from the left

but the dear dr (like so many of you) is rather prone to letting his emotions get away with him

as for this pledge that no one is coming after your guns...

40 democrat senators are on record---if they had their druthers they would confiscate at least some of your weapons

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote
 
Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

I would most certainly be in favor of more gun control than we have now.

For example, I consider the desire to own or posses an assault rifle by a civilian as prima facie evidence that said individual is mentally unstable and should be barred from owning or possessing any kind of firearm.

What is an "assault rifle"? What about an assault hand gun, would they be okay?
 
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I'm not sure what they are asking in these "polls". As we know, they can ask to get the answer they want. If they asked me if I am for background checks, I'd say yes. If they asked if I was for the passage of this bill, I'd say no.

Exactly! The pro "universal" background check polls never mention paying an extra $25 to $35 per gun sale as a new "tax", or that a national gun "registration" check is needed to detect the "straw buyer". If we wish to compile a national list of all dangerous/crazy folks (allowed to walk freely among us) then why not issue them (or everyone else) a special ID to make us all easily aware of who they are?

I am very suspicious of any gun (freedom?) control bill that allocates ZERO funding for enforcement, yet requires the "voluntary" compliance of all law abiding folks for a small (additional) "user fee". ;)
 
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