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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It was a dumb statement. I don't care if you mis pharsed it, it still doesn't apply.
    Actually, yes, it does.

    Your original words that made me say that quote...

    I am afraid this will have severe push back in the future. This bill actually would have made any sort of registry illegal. I bet the next one dont. The NRA has gone a bridge too far.

    You basically stated that they should have let the bill pass (gave up some liberty to get some security) in order to "save" another liberty. I prefer to not let them make a law for either UBC's OR gun registration.

    And whats the matter? Didn't like the question I posed in my 2nd point? Oh wait...let me guess..."it wasn't worth responding to"...amiright?
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    No I am not giving up any liberty, I am not a nut (ok that's debatable) nor am I a felon. I gave up nothing. I dont think selling guns to either group is a good idea. You are right about one thing, #2 wasnt worth responding to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually, yes, it does.

    Your original words that made me say that quote...

    I am afraid this will have severe push back in the future. This bill actually would have made any sort of registry illegal. I bet the next one dont. The NRA has gone a bridge too far.

    You basically stated that they should have let the bill pass (gave up some liberty to get some security) in order to "save" another liberty. I prefer to not let them make a law for either UBC's OR gun registration.

    And whats the matter? Didn't like the question I posed in my 2nd point? Oh wait...let me guess..."it wasn't worth responding to"...amiright?
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Says a poll of 1000 americans. Did you actually ask 100%? Of course not. Why don't you put it to a real vote, and try and get a constitutional amendment passed?
    Reasonable restrictions don't require a Constitutional Amendment. An Amendment would only be necessary for infringments that could not be supported by a compelling governmental interest. Not the case here.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    That would be 54 Senators...
    No...actually 54 senators voted in favor....it fell 6 votes short of the 60 votes necesssary for the amendment.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    No I am not giving up any liberty, I am not a nut (ok that's debatable) nor am I a felon. I gave up nothing. I dont think selling guns to either group is a good idea. You are right about one thing, #2 wasnt worth responding to.
    Yes, you are giving up some liberty. The 2nd point showed that. At one point in our history states tried to require that a person must pass a test in order to exercise their right to vote knowing full well that most blacks were not educated enough to pass those tests. The only difference between that and background checks is that one was written while the other is based on what you did in your past. Both are are about testing someone before a right can be exercised.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Reasonable restrictions don't require a Constitutional Amendment. An Amendment would only be necessary for infringments that could not be supported by a compelling governmental interest. Not the case here.
    You're right, reasonable restrictions do not require an amendment. But they DO have to pass SCOTUS and the test they have put in place to deem an infringement acceptable or not.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    I'll be accused of being obsessed with Obama hatred, but I have to say I found the President's "speech" earlier this evening to be his typical hypocrisy on issues requiring courage. Suddenly, after he got re-elected and doesn't face the electorate again, he's out there on a limb expending political capital and chiding Senators and Congress members for not joining him out there.

    Where was his push for these laws after the Colorado shooting when he was still running for reelection? Where was his push for these laws after the Wisconsin temple shooting when he was still running for reelection? Where was his push for these laws after the child who sang at his 2009 Inaugural was gunned down in Chicago, among thousands of other children murdered in Chicago, while he was still running for reelection?

    I'll bet you his advisors told him not to touch the issue because it could cost him his reelection, but now that he's got nothing on the line, no electorate to face, he's all holier than thou criticizing those who aren't prepared to sacrifice their careers for his legacy tour.

    This President is utterly irrelevant and he proves it again and again when he tries to lead and nobody follows. What a waste of four more years.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Somewhat true....but with 93% of the country favoring it...I have a strong suspicion that they are more afraid of the NRA than they are of their constituents.
    More afraid of the voters who are members of the NRA. Why would they be afraid of the NRA? Always wondered about that. If it's a financial thing, I am sure it would be pretty easy to put numbers to candidates. While they may get some political contributions, in the long run they have to answer to their voters regardless of NRA donations and the voters know that.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You're right, reasonable restrictions do not require an amendment. But they DO have to pass SCOTUS and the test they have put in place to deem an infringement acceptable or not.
    Absolutely. But that's something that a lot of the people on this site do not understand. They think ANY restriction automatically is unconstitutional. They refuse to be educated.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    More afraid of the voters who are members of the NRA. Why would they be afraid of the NRA? Always wondered about that. If it's a financial thing, I am sure it would be pretty easy to put numbers to candidates. While they may get some political contributions, in the long run they have to answer to their voters regardless of NRA donations and the voters know that.
    Easy...Big Money and the NRA is very good at slimeballing people in elections. A lot of the red state politicians are deathly afraid of the NRA even when their constituents support reasonable restrictions.
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