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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    I dont know why. What security am I keeping by allowing nuts and felons to buy guns. This is a really really dumb thing for the NRA to do. It will cost us in the long run. Google more famous sayings and find something a bit more appropriate.
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    This comment reminds me of a famous quote...."Those that would give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither".
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Well that all depends on the moral character of the person selling the gun. If they are honest they will likely play by the laws.

    But there are some gun sellers who are not so morally sound and may only care about the money, and they may engage in some shady dealing methods.

    My concern with this lack of background checks for private dealers and Internet transactions means that a majority of gun sales happen below the radar. If you allow me to use a analogy: a ships radar does no good if it can not detect all ranges of threats.
    I'll be frank with you, there are FFL dealers that get popped for "missing inventory" all the time. If a person doesn't care who they sell to laws are irrelevant until you can trace back to them. The biggest problem is black market guns, the same guys who get drugs into neighborhoods get guns into them, and they are the ones who are definitely the least moraled. We have an issue in this nation with customs, only about 10% of shipped cargo is able to be checked, it's already nothing to get contraband through NOLA, Oakland, Houston, etc. and then once they are in, it's getting it through land distribution, criminals are very good at this stuff. The guy who is looking to rob a convenience store isn't looking for a 300$ used Taurus, Ruger, or IWI piece, they want a 40$ street special that they can toss cheaply and probably bought from a "psst, C'mere" guy.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Exactly. I would not remotely consider selling a gun to someone I didn't know well, and trust implicitly. To do otherwise is (imo) careless.
    I double check my vehicle to make sure it's locked, even at my house when the gun is in it, I always check to make sure it's secured, and I always know where it's at. That's just in my possession, you can imagine how strict my rules are to borrow one from me or buy from me, but that is the price of exercising the right, I am not responsible for criminal actions by others BUT I am responsible for the weapons I do own.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Not funny at all....more and more people are seeing the lunacy of the NRA and the wacko far fringe right-wing gun nuts.
    you appear bitter even though there is no evidence this law would have decreased crime



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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay...

    First I should point out that I am, in general, a centrist. I lean a little left on certain things, and a bit right on certain things, but overall I tend to oppose extremes of either sort.

    Now when it comes to gun and self-defense issues, I am a strong defender of the 2A. I don't think it is a right/left issue so much as a freedom issue, and a self-defense issue, and a balance-of-power issue.

    While I question whether mandated background checks are really Constitutional, strictly speaking, I accept the current NICS system as a middle-road compromise position since it is relatively non-burdensome to the honest citizen, and possibly does some tiny minescule amount of good (not a lot really, when you look at how very VERY few prosecutions there have been based on people lying on their form and getting caught at it).

    As far as preventing crime, I doubt it has much effect, given the current lack of action on attempted violations, and the ready availability of firearms on the black market.

    Therefore I have serious doubts that expanding it would have much positive impact. Criminals and the black market would ignore it as they do all laws, and it is not very enforceable.

    Therefore, absent a significant positive impact, I see little reason to support same. As I've said I am not dead-set against some sort of expansion of background checks, as long as it is carefully structured and worded to minimize its impact on the law-abiding... but absent more vigorous and effective use of the EXISTING system to nail criminals, I see little point in it.

    So, absent any likelihood of substantive positive impact, I see no reason to support increasing restrictions on a fundamental human right that is also enumerated in the Constitution. If you'd have me support such a thing, then I need to see that there is a strong benefit to be gained, and that impact on the law-abiding will be minimal.

    Another reason to cheer its failure is that Harry Reid had already talked about trying to slip Feinstein's monsterous AWB back into it later as an amendment... hence my comment about keeping the camel's nose out of the tent in order to avoid ending up with camel droppings on the rug.

    So there ya have it in a nutshell...


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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I dont know why. What security am I keeping by allowing nuts and felons to buy guns. This is a really really dumb thing for the NRA to do. It will cost us in the long run. Google more famous sayings and find something a bit more appropriate.
    1: It wasn't googled. I have studied my history long before I even got interested in politics. (btw, the quote was paraphrased..those are not the exact words said by Benjamin Franklin..something which you would have known had you actually known the quote and your history)

    2: You asked the wrong question in response to my post. The question should have been "What liberty am I loosing by allowing the federal government to dictate that I must pass a test before I am allowed to exercise my right to own a gun?".
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    93% of Americans are in favor of background checks. Sad that 46 Senators lack a backbone to stand up to the NRA and the wacko gun lobby.
    Says a poll of 1000 americans. Did you actually ask 100%? Of course not. Why don't you put it to a real vote, and try and get a constitutional amendment passed?

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    A rare win for the Constitution and the people against the government.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    93% of Americans are in favor of background checks. Sad that 46 Senators lack a backbone to stand up to the NRA and the wacko gun lobby.
    That would be 54 Senators...
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    It was a dumb statement. I don't care if you mis pharsed it, it still doesn't apply.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: It wasn't googled. I have studied my history long before I even got interested in politics. (btw, the quote was paraphrased..those are not the exact words said by Benjamin Franklin..something which you would have known had you actually known the quote and your history)

    2: You asked the wrong question in response to my post. The question should have been "What liberty am I loosing by allowing the federal government to dictate that I must pass a test before I am allowed to exercise my right to own a gun?".
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