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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The bottom line is....by opposing even the most reasonable of efforts to curb gun violence in America, the NRA and the wacko gun nuts are clearly showing America how extreme they are. This cannot be helpful to their cause. The idea that you have to oppose EVERY effort because it could potentially, although highly improbable that it will lead to the government coming into your homes to steal your guns is simply paranoid delusional. It is ridiculous and weakens the underlying cause that they are fighting for. They are marginalizing themselves in the eyes of the majority of America.
    Your opinion is noted....Some will agree with you, some won't...That's the way it goes...But to act immature and call others that bear the opposite beliefs as you, names, is just plain dumb to me...sorry....
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes....it IS paranoid hysteria. Just because some people might want to ban all guns does not mean that everyone who supports reasonable restrictions of guns is coming after you and your guns. It is amazing to me that some people get so caught up in the propoganda and hysteria that they become overly paranoid to the point of believing that people are out to get them and their guns.
    Code words = reasonable restrictions = universal back ground checks = eliminate semi automatic firearms = confiscate all firearms = repeal the 2nd amendment

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The bottom line is....by opposing even the most reasonable of efforts to curb gun violence in America, the NRA and the wacko gun nuts are clearly showing America how extreme they are. This cannot be helpful to their cause. The idea that you have to oppose EVERY effort because it could potentially, although highly improbable that it will lead to the government coming into your homes to steal your guns is simply paranoid delusional. It is ridiculous and weakens the underlying cause that they are fighting for. They are marginalizing themselves in the eyes of the majority of America.
    Not at all! By recognizing that so many politicians want to eliminate private ownership reflects the wacko gun control nuts are clearly incrementalizing gun control bit by bit to the extreme. Had such a nefarious scheme not surfaced from so many different angles we gun owners would have been willing to make reasonable compromises. Then Feinstein opened her mouth and the left wing rag Daily Kos told us the truth.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

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    Code words = reasonable restrictions = universal back ground checks = eliminate semi automatic firearms = confiscate all firearms = repeal the 2nd amendment
    Thank you for clearly displaying for all....the paranoid hysterics that I am referring to.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Thank you for clearly displaying for all....the paranoid hysterics that I am referring to.
    Maybe it would help disney, if you would lay out what you think reasonable, responsible, and effective goals should be coming from demo's? Also, if you would include what your personal dream would be when it comes to gun control law in the United States....I think that'd be more helpful to the discussion than just calling people names.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

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    Maybe it would help disney, if you would lay out what you think reasonable, responsible, and effective goals should be coming from demo's? Also, if you would include what your personal dream would be when it comes to gun control law in the United States....I think that'd be more helpful to the discussion than just calling people names.
    The problem, J-Mac, is that ANY restriction is deemed "gun grabbing" by the wacko gun nuts. They are so hyper paranoid that the govment is out to get their guns that they view any effort at curbing gun violence as over-reaching government action. What is reasonable? I would say four things. Starting with the no-brainers.....background checks and waiting periods. I would add in registration and then the most "controversial" the banning of high capaciity military assault type weapons. Aside from that, I don't support gun control.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The problem, J-Mac, is that ANY restriction is deemed "gun grabbing" by the wacko gun nuts. They are so hyper paranoid that the govment is out to get their guns that they view any effort at curbing gun violence as over-reaching government action. What is reasonable? I would say four things. Starting with the no-brainers.....background checks and waiting periods. I would add in registration and then the most "controversial" the banning of high capaciity military assault type weapons. Aside from that, I don't support gun control.
    Nope! had so many not tried to prohibit semi-automatic firearms and had so many expressed desire to have a data base of who, what and where, and so many had not expressed a desire to totally eliminate privately owned firearms most gun owners would have accepted back ground checks and military type functional assault weapons (not cosmetically similar) bans. IE REASONABLE gun control, PROVIDED we had an etched in stone no more. You wacko gun control nuts did it to yourselves, maybe not you personally, but many of your brethren who insist we are the wackos because we want firearms. I use every firearm I own but the 9mm lugar which is a souvenir of WWII. I have been insulted, whined at, cajoled, etc because I do hunt, do own firearms and do use them that I have no patience with anti gun nuts, note even a hairs bit. Again and you folks did it to your selves. I actually don't believe gun control nuts ever intend to act reasonable.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

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    The problem, J-Mac, is that ANY restriction is deemed "gun grabbing" by the wacko gun nuts. They are so hyper paranoid that the govment is out to get their guns that they view any effort at curbing gun violence as over-reaching government action.
    I understand...There are hyper views on both sides of the argument. But, I think a first step is going to be in understanding the oppositions side, because Lord knows that ramping up the division is not going to do anything but entrench people.

    What is reasonable? I would say four things. Starting with the no-brainers...
    Ok, let's have a look. I don't believe you to be an anti gun zelot, if I remember you own guns yourself...

    background checks and waiting periods.
    We have these now. And if there is a flag that comes up in the check, a waiting period while a more extensive check is done. Do you really think that adding redundant levels of this would help? And I would have to ask why? See, much of this is a States issue. For example, when I lived in Maryland, you could buy things like hunting rifles, or shotguns with a simple check and walk out that day with the gun. Hand guns, had a 7 day waiting period. Then here in South Carolina you can buy a gun from a dealer, and must go through the background check, which takes about 15 to 30 minutes, through state databases. If a flag comes up you then have to wait while a more extensive check is done. However, I can buy a gun from a private individual on the spot, which I have. It is already against Federal law to sell to someone that you think may be dangerous, or a felon, so if a crime is committed with that gun and they prove that you knew that he was either of these, your in trouble too.

    I guess my point is that, you are not going to get criminals to subject to these background checks so, whom are you inhibiting from buying the weapon?

    I would add in registration
    So you want people that already think you are compiling lists of people who own guns, to submit to a list? I don't see that as floating anytime soon.

    and then the most "controversial" the banning of high capaciity military assault type weapons.
    So, what makes an "assault type weapon"? Cosmetics, or sustained rates of fire? Pistol grip? Folding stock? I can take an ordinary .22 long rifle, and by ordering these things online I can make it look like a pretty scary "assault rifle"...But it's not, it's still the same .22 cal long rifle. This is why the first assault weapons ban failed, and didn't stop any crime.

    Aside from that, I don't support gun control.
    And I know that, I also know you to be a smart debater when we get away from the usual banter/bicker model so often the norm today. I don't agree with many of your views, but I respect that you are savvy enough to think them through....
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by dnsmith View Post
    Nope! had so many not tried to prohibit semi-automatic firearms and had so many expressed desire to have a data base of who, what and where, and so many had not expressed a desire to totally eliminate privately owned firearms most gun owners would have accepted back ground checks and military type functional assault weapons (not cosmetically similar) bans. IE REASONABLE gun control, PROVIDED we had an etched in stone no more. You wacko gun control nuts did it to yourselves, maybe not you personally, but many of your brethren who insist we are the wackos because we want firearms. I use every firearm I own but the 9mm lugar which is a souvenir of WWII. I have been insulted, whined at, cajoled, etc because I do hunt, do own firearms and do use them that I have no patience with anti gun nuts, note even a hairs bit. Again and you folks did it to your selves. I actually don't believe gun control nuts ever intend to act reasonable.
    Smith....once again you are proving my point. You list yourself as "moderate" but you are about as extremist far-right as they come. Your paranoia and hysterics are as great as anyone on this site. You have this incredible fear that everyone is out to get you.....the reality is....you are a product of the right-wing propaganda machine that has severely altered your views of reality.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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