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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The poll that you are referring to asked "What is the MOST IMPORTANT problem facing America today".....gun control got 4%. Not what some people are claiming here.

    The question posed that I am referring to is whether you favor universal background checks for gun purchases.
    Yes ... I know ... Gallup asked about level of importance ... I made that clear in my comment ... it was a different question ... but contemplate for a moment what that might suggest.

    Only 4% puts gun control as most important yet 90% favor universal background checks to purchase a gun ... doesn't that suggest to you that the 90% is likely comprised of respondents who were thinking "Oh what the hell, background checks sound okay."

    IOW, after merging the 2 surveys ... it's not a leap to surmise that the issue is not of great importance to 96% of that 90%.

    So when you see the Administration & it's media allies humping the background checks on the campaign trail, know that it's politics & they're proselytizing because they don't really have 90% behind them.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    I think it is amazing 4% thought guns were the MOST important. You are not talking about the same thing. There are many things in our society that are important, but very few are the MOST important. Get it MOST? What you are claiming it says is not true, 100% could be for it, yet 0% might think it is the MOST important.
    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Yes ... I know ... Gallup asked about level of importance ... I made that clear in my comment ... it was a different question ... but contemplate for a moment what that might suggest.

    Only 4% puts gun control as most important yet 90% favor universal background checks to purchase a gun ... doesn't that suggest to you that the 90% is likely comprised of respondents who were thinking "Oh what the hell, background checks sound okay."

    IOW, after merging the 2 surveys ... it's not a leap to surmise that the issue is not of great importance in 96% of that 90%.

    So when you see the Administration & it's media allies humping the background checks on the campaign trail, know that it's politics & they're proselytizing because they don't really have 90% behind them.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think it is amazing 4% thought guns were the MOST important. You are not talking about the same thing. There are many things in our society that are important, but very few are the MOST important. Get it MOST? What you are claiming it says is not true, 100% could be for it, yet 0% might think it is the MOST important.
    uh ... yeah ... that's what I've been saying.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I think it is amazing 4% thought guns were the MOST important. You are not talking about the same thing. There are many things in our society that are important, but very few are the MOST important. Get it MOST? What you are claiming it says is not true, 100% could be for it, yet 0% might think it is the MOST important.
    The point is that 90% could have answered that they approve of universal background checks because it's an easy answer and yet they consider it a trivial issue.
    We don't know what they were thinking yet the 90% number is being trumpeted like it's an election winner ... and the strategy is to repeat it often enough so that maybe it'll become one.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First of all - restricting ownership to the mentally ill is NOT confiscation. Perhaps in some gun culture circles that false meme is common, but they are not the same thing.

    Second, You bring up an interesting point that is worth pursuing. I have not read the entire bill. However, in summaries of the bill, it was stated repeatedly that people who were family within your household were not part of the background check mandate when selling or giving a gun to them. But you state that it was.

    This needs to be settled with verifiable evidence.

    I did find this:

    PolitiFact | NRA says Manchin-Toomey would have criminalized some gun transfers between family, friends
    As with what happened in the Newtown incident, the legally owned guns of the mother were used to perpetrate this crime...NY jumped into action with a state law that has already gone wrong....

    New York Gun Control Law: State Police Confiscate Weapons From The Wrong Guy

    Now tell me, how long before someone says that anyone within a household that has been under any mental health treatment is prohibited?
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    It doesnt suggest anything...You cannot surmise they dont think it is important, just not the MOST important.
    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    uh ... yeah ... that's what I've been saying.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    It doesnt suggest anything...You cannot surmise they dont think it is important, just not the MOST important.
    Okay ... let's try it this way.
    Out of that 90% that favor universal background checks, how many were in that 96% who said it wasn't the most important issue?
    And how many in that 90% would vote based on a candidate's support for universal background checks?

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Ok I give.
    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Okay ... let's try it this way.
    Out of that 90% that favor universal background checks, how many were in that 96% who said it wasn't the most important issue?
    And how many in that 90% would vote based on a candidate's support for universal background checks?
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Ok I give.
    You don't know ... no one does ... yet you've seen the 90% number tossed around with wild abandon for political reasons like it has some great meaning.
    A better, more reality-based, way to look at it is that if the jamokes in D.C. actually knew they'd be voting against something they thought 90% of the citizenry was for, they wouldn't vote that way.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First of all - restricting ownership to the mentally ill is NOT confiscation. Perhaps in some gun culture circles that false meme is common, but they are not the same thing.

    Second, You bring up an interesting point that is worth pursuing. I have not read the entire bill. However, in summaries of the bill, it was stated repeatedly that people who were family within your household were not part of the background check mandate when selling or giving a gun to them. But you state that it was.

    This needs to be settled with verifiable evidence.

    I did find this:

    PolitiFact | NRA says Manchin-Toomey would have criminalized some gun transfers between family, friends
    Gun culture, a term coined by a communist.
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