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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    You can claim whatever you want to Zyph...but the bottom line is that in order to "support" your argument, you resort to misconstruing things that I have said in order to fit your diatribe here. It is very clear from my posts that when I am talking about "gun bans" I'm talking about flat-out bans on guns. So your attempt to claim that I "lied" and attempts to claim inconsistencies is a big FAIL. I have said all along...and I will say here again, just in case you honestly misunderstood my position rather than manipulatively misconstrued it.....I DO believe that there are some classes of weapons that SHOULD be banned. The Constitution already allows the banning of some weapons and it is arguable whether additional bans would be Constitutional. What I don't support is the banning of handguns and most rifles. See, Zyph....the problem with your argument and the problem with a lot of the gun nuts is that arguments such as yours are used by them to fuel their paranoia that people are coming after their guns. Its not true...and it is nothing more than hysteria. Most people in this country do not support an all out gun ban which means that it is never going to get legislated. The idea that you have to fight every reasonable effort at curtailing gun violence in this country because it possibly could lead to a slippery slope that would lead the government to come knocking on people's doors to steal their guns is absurd. However, it is a talking point that gets perpetuated by the NRA and other special interest groups.
    The bottom line is that your diatribe here on me is wrong because it is based on a faulty premise and it takes leaps that are illogical. You are better than this Zyph. We don't always agree, however, I generally don't see you resorting to misconstruing facts the way that you did so here.
    You don't even know what the Constitution says, BIG surprise there. If the Constitution banned certain weapons, please list them for me? These banned weapons (listed in the Constitution) are found no where in the US correct? You have a long history of being extreme left on everything, so nothing Z said is a stretch.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    93% of the Country doesn't think so.
    Frankly I don't think you know what that number means, except that it came to you in an email from Democratic Underground.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    The thing is ... the participants were probably thinking "Of course ... we already have background checks so I'll answer YES otherwise it may sound like I favor some kind of Tarantino movie in my home town".

    Look ... if it's really 93% you have to figure there's more than 7% gun owners.

    What was the actual question that was asked? Do you know?

    I know a Gallup poll put the level of importance of gun control at 4% ... that's pretty far down the list.
    The poll that you are referring to asked "What is the MOST IMPORTANT problem facing America today".....gun control got 4%. Not what some people are claiming here.

    The question posed that I am referring to is whether you favor universal background checks for gun purchases.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You don't even know what the Constitution says, BIG surprise there. If the Constitution banned certain weapons, please list them for me? These banned weapons (listed in the Constitution) are found no where in the US correct? You have a long history of being extreme left on everything, so nothing Z said is a stretch.
    Ever heard of Constitutional case law? Yeah.....thought not. I could tell from the ignorance displayed in the post. See.....the SCOTUS takes cases and interprets the application of the Constitution to those cases. The resulting opinions are called "caselaw".
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Rather than blame the NRA, Obama should blame those states that started passing radical anti-gun laws - putting everyone into an intense opposition mode feeling this is just getting the foot in the door and believing there would be hidden tricks in whatever law they passed.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The poll that you are referring to asked "What is the MOST IMPORTANT problem facing America today".....gun control got 4%. Not what some people are claiming here.

    The question posed that I am referring to is whether you favor universal background checks for gun purchases.
    Y9u got a link for all that?

    If that many Americans REALLY thought that gun control isn't a problem, gun and ammunition sales wouldn't be at a 230 year high.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Yes, why are ammo sales so high? Why are some types impossible to find?

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Y9u got a link for all that?

    If that many Americans REALLY thought that gun control isn't a problem, gun and ammunition sales wouldn't be at a 230 year high.
    Most Important Problem | Gallup Historical Trends The question: What is the most important problem facing America today? Guns/Gun Control - 4%
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Rather than blame the NRA, Obama should blame those states that started passing radical anti-gun laws - putting everyone into an intense opposition mode feeling this is just getting the foot in the door and believing there would be hidden tricks in whatever law they passed.
    The wacko gun nuts were already in hyper paranoia mode.....that is the only mode they know how to operate it. Well....that and hyper paranoia hysterics. Oh my....."There coming after my guns!!!!!'.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The wacko gun nuts were already in hyper paranoia mode.....that is the only mode they know how to operate it. Well....that and hyper paranoia hysterics. Oh my....."There coming after my guns!!!!!'.
    Here's another one you may require even more Kleenex to bear: The Senate passed a resolution against entering the UN gun control treaty. These are the US Senators who Voted Against a bill Preventing the UN Gun Ban | Crystal Coast Tea Party

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