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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    First of all - restricting ownership to the mentally ill is NOT confiscation. Perhaps in some gun culture circles that false meme is common, but they are not the same thing.

    Second, You bring up an interesting point that is worth pursuing. I have not read the entire bill. However, in summaries of the bill, it was stated repeatedly that people who were family within your household were not part of the background check mandate when selling or giving a gun to them. But you state that it was.

    This needs to be settled with verifiable evidence.

    I did find this:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...iminalized-so/
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    93% of Americans are in favor of background checks. Sad that 46 Senators lack a backbone to stand up to the NRA and the wacko gun lobby.
    If that was true then expanded background checks would have passed months ago,you can't win elections on money alone. I seriously doubt that constituents in pro-2nd amendment states are telling their elected officials to support universal background checks except of a small minority. Maybe in California, New York, Massachusetts,Illinois and other anti-2nd amendment states that 93% of the constituents there are telling their elected to support universal background checks.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    That sounds suspiciously like the old advice to ignore the bully and they will go away. Are you suggesting we pay no attention to the Fienstiens of the world and just go about our day? Because that sounds like a wonderful way to wake up to find things have changed quietly while we slept. By that logic we should have simply ignored the Boston bombings so we didn't provoke them any further. They are, after all, a very small percentage of the fringe who have little chance of accomplishing their goal. Until they do of course.
    That is not what I am suggesting. Only that you judge them and their abilities properly and do not let yourself be worked into a state of unmerited paranoia about it.

    Your analogy is flawed in that it takes a majority to pass legislation (which is no easy task particularly when it comes to the Second Amendment) while it only takes a single nut to do the evil of Boston or Aurora or Sandy Hook. it is the fallacy of false equivalency.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is not what I am suggesting. Only that you judge them and their abilities properly and do not let yourself be worked into a state of unmerited paranoia about it.

    Your analogy is flawed in that it takes a majority to pass legislation (which is no easy task particularly when it comes to the Second Amendment) while it only takes a single nut to do the evil of Boston or Aurora or Sandy Hook. it is the fallacy of false equivalency.
    Cept in the case of Boston, IEDs are illegal, and did **** all to stop him.
    Cept in the case of Aurora, he went to the one movie complex that was a gun free zone and it was illegal and did **** all to stop him.

    Cept in the case of Sandy Hook, one single teacher with concealed carry could have stopped or slowed the shooter enough to make all the difference.

    Criminals dont care how illegal it is. They break the law with impunity. The best defense is a legal, semi trained, concealed carrying member of the school staff that engages the shooter long enough to allow a proper police response or even stops/kills/bleeds out the shooter and stops a tragedy.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is not what I am suggesting. Only that you judge them and their abilities properly and do not let yourself be worked into a state of unmerited paranoia about it.

    Your analogy is flawed in that it takes a majority to pass legislation (which is no easy task particularly when it comes to the Second Amendment) while it only takes a single nut to do the evil of Boston or Aurora or Sandy Hook. it is the fallacy of false equivalency.
    And the irony and price of a free society.

    There is no paranoia about gun control. No amount of gun control is ever enough. The answer is always more.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    And the irony and price of a free society.

    There is no paranoia about gun control. No amount of gun control is ever enough. The answer is always more.
    If a certain level of gun control fails to work, the answer of the gun banners is MORE control

    if a certain level of gun control actually suggests it has decreased crime, the answer of the gun banners is IF SOME DECREASES SOME CRIME, MORE WILL DECREASE MORE

    gun control is based on a faith based belief system. logic and fact has no use in trying to change the minds of the gun haters



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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    93% of Americans are in favor of background checks. Sad that 46 Senators lack a backbone to stand up to the NRA and the wacko gun lobby.
    Most Americans are against abortion, most were (and are) against Obamacare.

    That never made much difference to Barry then.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Most Americans are against abortion, most were (and are) against Obamacare.

    That never made much difference to Barry then.
    Actually....most Americans are pro-choice, although it is pretty close. THIS wasn't even close. The overwhelming majority of Americans back reasonable regulations.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually....most Americans are pro-choice, although it is pretty close. THIS wasn't even close. The overwhelming majority of Americans back reasonable regulations.
    Apparently, their elected reps didn't think so.

    And because of yesterday's hunt for the second bomber, which required Bostonians to "shelter in place" and which led to this 19-year old being found in a backyard boat, I'd like to think that many knee-jerk gun control advocates in Boston are now rethinking their positions. How many folks who don't own guns, do you suppose, wished fervently yesterday that they did?

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Actually....most Americans are pro-choice, although it is pretty close. THIS wasn't even close. The overwhelming majority of Americans back reasonable regulations.
    what you consider reasonable is highly unreasonable

    when it comes to gun rights



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