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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    That is nothing more than more of your paranoia propoganda. Take a deep breath and get over your hysterics.
    Pot meet Kettle.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    I think someone will need to post the survey question asked, that 93% of
    Americans agreed to, before I place any value in that number.
    or where the poll was taken.
    93% of people coming out of the Whole Foods in San Francisco said we need expanded background checks.
    Or Maybe the question was, " Do you think the mentally insane should be allowed to buy guns?"

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If it somehow actually unduly curtailed the rights of gun owners, then I would agree with you Zyph. I don't support all out gun bans. If 93% of the population supported a ban on all guns then I would agree that popular option shouldn't dictate what WOULD be an unconstitutional infringement of a civil right.
    Which basically comes down to if your personal opinion regarding the constitutionality of a particular limitation on a civil right is that it's okay, then it's fine to look towards the popular opion. In this case, the limiting of ones ability to engage in their civil right is one you agree with and feel is constitutional, so you have no issue pushing public opinion to support your case. In other cases, the limiting of ones ability to engage in their civil rights is one you disagree with and so you oppose. In all cases though, it's still a matter of whether or not you subjectively decide whether or not the limitation is one you agree with or not.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The fact that you would WANT to own a semi-automatic military style weapon speaks otherwise.
    Wait, so you're basically agreeing with the ignorant notion put forward by another poster that WANTINg to own a semi-automatic military style weapon is a sign of being mentally unstable or as Black manta put it "mentally deficient"?

    Funny, proclaiming that something that no reasonable scientific body has ever declared a mental issue as a mental issue as a methodology for denying a person from engaging in their civil rights....could've swore you get all huffy puffy and up in arms about such things normally.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Even then, the American Gun Owner is not going to blithly walk up to the police station with a bag full of firearms and turn them over simply because the Government doesn't like him or her having them. Nor is the American Gun Owner going to ever give the Government a list of those firearms. Nor are we going to allow the Government to oversee PRIVATE transactions that they have no need nor right to oversee.

    I understand that many in the gun control crowd see the actions of governments in England, Scotland, Australia, and even Canada as wonderful ideals to strive towards. What these individuals need to understand is that the American Gun Owner is not like the citizenry of those nations. We will not walk up and disarm ourselves like good little sheep. Nor will we allow the Government of this nation, which many of us trust little, if at all, to gather information on what we have in terms of firearms and other self-defense apperatus.
    Is it your impression or belief that the bill rejected yesterday asks these things to be done as part of the bill?

    Could you link to the bill with identified parts of it which do these things?
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Which basically comes down to if your personal opinion regarding the constitutionality of a particular limitation on a civil right is that it's okay, then it's fine to look towards the popular opion. In this case, the limiting of ones ability to engage in their civil right is one you agree with and feel is constitutional, so you have no issue pushing public opinion to support your case. In other cases, the limiting of ones ability to engage in their civil rights is one you disagree with and so you oppose. In all cases though, it's still a matter of whether or not you subjectively decide whether or not the limitation is one you agree with or not.
    No. There is no legitimate question about the Constitutionality of background checks.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Wait, so you're basically agreeing with the ignorant notion put forward by another poster that WANTINg to own a semi-automatic military style weapon is a sign of being mentally unstable or as Black manta put it "mentally deficient"?

    Funny, proclaiming that something that no reasonable scientific body has ever declared a mental issue as a mental issue as a methodology for denying a person from engaging in their civil rights....could've swore you get all huffy puffy and up in arms about such things normally.
    Absolutely. The mentality of an individual who desires to have military style weapons is highly suspect.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely. The mentality of an individual who desires to have military style weapons is highly suspect.
    It's now a "Thought Crime" to want a semi automatic weapon that looks scary to Liberals

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Is it your impression or belief that the bill rejected yesterday asks these things to be done as part of the bill?
    It is my personal impression and belief that the bill which was defeated yesterday was a stepping stone towards those sorts of things.

    The bill would have created additional paperwork, available on demand to BATFE or the State, which could have been used in the future as the foundation for a state or national gun registry of one sort or another. It required private individuals engaged in legitimate free enterprise, but not in commercial activities, to undertake a NICS check which has not been required of them in the past. It is my belief that was a stepping stone towards ALL firearms transfers requiring that check, and a means to make gun ownership/transfer more expensive for people as a means to limit those transfers.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    It's now a "Thought Crime" to want a semi automatic weapon that looks scary to Liberals
    I never said it was a "crime"...more of your hysterics and paranoia on display.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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