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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_Joad View Post
    I have a .38 revolver in my car too.

    And I find it a major embarrassment to be a gun owner right now.

    To me it's un****ingbelieveable that due to these knuckle dragging gun nuts this watered down gun background check law can't pass.

    I'm ****ing disgusted with their paranoid asses.
    I'm thinking it didn't pass on a cost/ effectiveness basis. The 40 % number of private sales is a farce and they know it. Imposing more regulation of legal gun owners would be considerable versus the effectiveness of such a bill. These guys vote based on their next election. I suspect they are looking past the BS numbers and are instead listening to their respective offices.

    But there is something you can do personally. If you are for background checks (and keep in mind that many of us legal owners use the existing system as it is) don't buy a firearm without filling out a 4473 and don't sell privately. The government doesn't have to tell you to do it that way, you can do it yourself.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    93% of Americans are in favor of background checks. Sad that 46 Senators lack a backbone to stand up to the NRA and the wacko gun lobby.
    We can all speak out in 2014.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_Joad View Post
    I would most certainly be in favor of more gun control than we have now.

    For example, I consider the desire to own or posses an assault rifle by a civilian as prima facie evidence that said individual is mentally unstable and should be barred from owning or possessing any kind of firearm.
    I think that comes from a misunderstanding of the use of what you are calling assault rifles. An assault rifle is a full auto or select fire military weapon, and they are highly restricted with federal background check, a waiting period while the paperwork is processed, signing off on your ownership by your local law enforcement, a $200 tax stamp and conditions where federal officials can show up at any time to inspect said rifle. Oh, and there is this: Only one assault weapon has been used to commit a crime here in the states, and it was by a law enforcement officer.

    Given that I talked to one of my favorite instructors last night at church. She is a 15 year old girl who just qualified last weekend on a full distance range (out to 400 yards) with an AR15. We were discussing the extra hold she had to calculate since she was shooting 55 grain bullets and her ACOG was calibrated for 62 grain bullets. All in all some nice shooting. Nobody was killed or injured. She just put 31 holes in a series of 4 paper targets. Did I mention the college scholarships she is looking at based on her shooting skills?

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its not a matter of "agreeing with interpretation". Its about educating yourself and having a minimal level of knowledge of how Supreme Court scrutiny works. You are simple dead wrong if you believe otherwise. Sorry. that is just the facts.
    It would be nice if the proponents of gun legislation would apply the same due diligence to understanding what they are trying to ban. You know, maybe knowing what a magazine is and what it does, what an "assault weapon" is, little things like that. But no, they are playing to their base who are every bit as clueless as they are.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Yes....I did. What part of "Do you believe it is the MOST important problem" do you not comprehend? Its a big leap to say that since people don't believe that it is the MOST important problem facing America that only 4% think it is important. NO.....what the poll says is that only 4% think it is the MOST important.......DOH!
    Does it matter though? Haven't you for years on this forum been proclaiming how popular opinion shouldn't dictate what restrictions are placed on Civil Rights? Or is that only the case in terms of civil rights you agree with?

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    The way the US Constitution is to be interpreted is: If it doesn't say you can, you can't. Anything that the US Constitution doesn't explicitly say the Federal government can do is to be left up to the states.

    I don't see what's so difficult about that to a lot of people?

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    You know, I had a guy in the shop yesterday, an old guy I've known a long time. The radio was on and there was a news update talking about what was being discussed in Congress. Harold pipes up and says he thinks it would be a good idea if they ban assault rifles. I was shocked because I know for a fact he keeps a. 38 revolver in his car, but he is literally the first person I have met in person who has said such a thing. Ever. So I shot him.

    No I'm kidding. I changed his oil and sent him on his way. Of course he is entitled to his opinion, but I'm not buying 90%. I think it's more like the 54% we saw in the vote depending on how you ask the question. And if those folks want to be unarmed they can be. Their choice. But I'll keep mine, thank you.
    I'm not sure what they are asking in these "polls". As we know, they can ask to get the answer they want. If they asked me if I am for background checks, I'd say yes. If they asked if I was for the passage of this bill, I'd say no.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    so which republican are y'all gonna punish in '14?

    saxby chambliss? jeff sessions?

    realistically, mary landrieu and kay hagan are for more likely to pay a price next year for actions taken yesterday

    ZERO gop'ers will lose their seats in '14 due to opposition to gun control, background checks, whatever

    93% notwithstanding

    this morning on coffee joe, howard dean actually predicted the end of senator max baucus' career over this

    he sees former gub schweitzer coming from the left

    but the dear dr (like so many of you) is rather prone to letting his emotions get away with him

    as for this pledge that no one is coming after your guns...

    40 democrat senators are on record---if they had their druthers they would confiscate at least some of your weapons

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_Joad View Post
    I would most certainly be in favor of more gun control than we have now.

    For example, I consider the desire to own or posses an assault rifle by a civilian as prima facie evidence that said individual is mentally unstable and should be barred from owning or possessing any kind of firearm.
    What is an "assault rifle"? What about an assault hand gun, would they be okay?

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I'm not sure what they are asking in these "polls". As we know, they can ask to get the answer they want. If they asked me if I am for background checks, I'd say yes. If they asked if I was for the passage of this bill, I'd say no.
    Exactly! The pro "universal" background check polls never mention paying an extra $25 to $35 per gun sale as a new "tax", or that a national gun "registration" check is needed to detect the "straw buyer". If we wish to compile a national list of all dangerous/crazy folks (allowed to walk freely among us) then why not issue them (or everyone else) a special ID to make us all easily aware of who they are?

    I am very suspicious of any gun (freedom?) control bill that allocates ZERO funding for enforcement, yet requires the "voluntary" compliance of all law abiding folks for a small (additional) "user fee".
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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