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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If a psychologically unstable person, who would have been blocked by a background check, were allowed to buy a weapon and then harm people with it, would your perspective change?

    It has already happened of course.

    I've been an advocate for some while now for adding "has been committed to a mental institute/judged incompetent" to the NICS system.

    Of course there's a catch... criminals and crazies don't HAVE to go thru legal dealers or NICS. They can buy off the black market. No matter what laws you pass, the black market will still provide those things people want that are illegal. Just like weed and meth...

    So I have grave reservations that expanding background check requirements would actually do any great good in the real world as-it-is, especially given the Fed/ATF's absolutely miserable record on enforcing and prosecuting the EXISTING system of checks (NICS) and those who try to get around it (last I checked, 7 convictions out of 250,000 detected attempts, pitiful).

    So yeah, if a proposed gun control law doesn't appear that it would do any ACTUAL good, I'm not likely to support it just because it "looks good".


    Bear in mind, when I was 24 my best-friend-like-a-brother was murdered in a robbery at his business... taken off and shot in the head with a .44 magnum. I didn't blame the gun; I blamed the murderer.

    And I also blamed myself for not being there, as I often did help him close for the night, since I would have been armed as is my custom...

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    don't forget, the awb and the magazines both went down today too

    indeed, both crashed (significantly) harder

    difi's awb, for example, died, 40 to 60

    ie, only 40 democrats would assent to ban the ar15, et al

    the 15 d's who departed were---baucus of montana, begich alaska, bennett colorado, udall colorado, udall new mexico, heinrich new mexico, pryor arkansas, donnelly indiana, heitkamp and tim johnson from the dakotas, tester montana, warner virginia, hagan north carolina and manchin

    fyi

    party on! progressives

    anyone who sought to ban the semi auto version of the standard militia weapon should properly be charged with treason and removed from office and transported to jail.



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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    better ten unstable people get guns than one person be improperly denied and then slain. you see, the people most likely to use a gun to commit murder or other intentional crimes are the people least likely to be deterred by gun legislation

    gun control tends to restrict GOOD gun owners far more than BAD gun owners

    if you had been beaten and raped because you were disarmed would you be more likely to carry a gun next time out?
    How would a good person be blocked from getting a gun?

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I highly doubt it. Single issue elections are rare and 2014 is still a while away.

    And this issue will not die.
    Are you unaware of the anti-2nd Amendment politicians who lost their jobs in 1994?
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    How would a good person be blocked from getting a gun?
    well lets see

    how did Ted KENNEDY get on a no fly list (Especially since it did not involve him flying the plane)



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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    While I'm not really dead-set against expanding background checks to some degree, on the whole I'm glad this went down in flames.... if you let the camel's nose in the tent, pretty soon the whole camel will be trying to come in.

    WOOT!!
    ... not sure why you are celebrating. If a mass shooting ever occurs again that could have prevented with expanded background checks, the backlash against pro-gun organizations will result in stronger reforms than would have been a case if they had just agreed to a reasonable reform in the first place.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    We the people win. Passing laws to get around the constitution is not the American way. We can claim victory in this battle. But the gun grabbers are not finished. They will continue to attempt to strip the people of their rights and we have to remain vigilant. There is a proper way to approach this if you are anti gun. It is spelled out in Article 5 of the constitution. Amending the Constitution. As long as the antis continue to attempt to usurp the second amendment they will fail. And today they failed in a major way. And we can claim victory.

    Article. V
    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments,
    which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article*; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well lets see

    how did Ted KENNEDY get on a no fly list (Especially since it did not involve him flying the plane)
    Is he still on the no fly list or was he able to clear that up?

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Is he still on the no fly list or was he able to clear that up?
    I think when he was removed from the No-die list he also went off the no fly list



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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    no wonder they're losing

    On Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid read from a prepared statement that “On the anti-gun legislation before the Senate, we are making good progress on the effort to schedule a series of votes on amendments to the anti-gun-violence legislation before the Senate.”
    Reid calls new legislation 'the anti-gun legislation' | The Daily Caller

    to quote rick perry, "oops"

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