Page 14 of 47 FirstFirst ... 4121314151624 ... LastLast
Results 131 to 140 of 463

Thread: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks...[W: 349]

  1. #131
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,574

    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    I guess the gun haters are now praying for some whack job to shoot up another school. Yeah I do believe that the extremists pray for that sort of stuff. after all, to the extremists, the ENDS justify the means



  2. #132
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,750
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    93% of Americans are in favor of background checks. Sad that 46 Senators lack a backbone to stand up to the NRA and the wacko gun lobby.
    The 93% don't vote the issue. All the passion is on the other side.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  3. #133
    Finite and Precious
    Jredbaron96's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    With you.
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    7,873
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    A victory.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
    -FDR

  4. #134
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    2 hours ago, the tantrum

    Defeated and angry — and surrounded by Newtown families and former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) — President Barack Obama blamed a gun lobby that “willfully lied” and senators who “caved to the pressure” for the defeat of his effort to pass gun control through Congress.

    Obama blasted the Senate’s voting down the Manchin-Toomey amendment — a bipartisan agreement on background checks that was itself a compromise on a fraction of the comprehensive gun control package the president called for after the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary.

    “All in all this was a pretty shameful day for Washington,” Obama said in the Rose Garden, after walking to the podium with his arm around Giffords and hugged the relatives of victims of the December shooting.
    Obama: gun defeat 'shameful day for Washington' - Reid J. Epstein - POLITICO.com

    this manchin-toomey bill was the lowest hanging of the gun-control fruit, recall

    that is, the easiest of the awb-magazines-background checks trilogy

    such that, if he can't get a weak kneed background bill in times like these, after all the hype and hoopla...

    you know, it's always really all about him

    he makes it so

    america has never seen a president so selfish

    they're starting to regret rebuffing coburn---the backgrounds WITHOUT the registry

    rand son of ron took a shot---the president uses these families like props

    obama thundered---"props? emotional blackmail? are you serious?"

    kinda shrill, no?

    leadership, anyone?
    Last edited by The Prof; 04-17-13 at 10:09 PM.

  5. #135
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Oslo, Norway
    Last Seen
    07-07-16 @ 08:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    2,854

    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    I am a little worried about this. Republicans need to compromise a little, or else it may end like the tax debate. Republicans could have got much larger spending cuts if they didn't reject any tax increases.

    Background checks have such a large popularity among the population I am worried they might alienate independents. If they got this through it would shut them down for a while.

  6. #136
    Almost respectable

    Cardinal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    34,970

    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Okay...

    First I should point out that I am, in general, a centrist. I lean a little left on certain things, and a bit right on certain things, but overall I tend to oppose extremes of either sort.

    Now when it comes to gun and self-defense issues, I am a strong defender of the 2A. I don't think it is a right/left issue so much as a freedom issue, and a self-defense issue, and a balance-of-power issue.

    While I question whether mandated background checks are really Constitutional, strictly speaking, I accept the current NICS system as a middle-road compromise position since it is relatively non-burdensome to the honest citizen, and possibly does some tiny minescule amount of good (not a lot really, when you look at how very VERY few prosecutions there have been based on people lying on their form and getting caught at it).

    As far as preventing crime, I doubt it has much effect, given the current lack of action on attempted violations, and the ready availability of firearms on the black market.

    Therefore I have serious doubts that expanding it would have much positive impact. Criminals and the black market would ignore it as they do all laws, and it is not very enforceable.

    Therefore, absent a significant positive impact, I see little reason to support same. As I've said I am not dead-set against some sort of expansion of background checks, as long as it is carefully structured and worded to minimize its impact on the law-abiding... but absent more vigorous and effective use of the EXISTING system to nail criminals, I see little point in it.

    So, absent any likelihood of substantive positive impact, I see no reason to support increasing restrictions on a fundamental human right that is also enumerated in the Constitution. If you'd have me support such a thing, then I need to see that there is a strong benefit to be gained, and that impact on the law-abiding will be minimal.

    Another reason to cheer its failure is that Harry Reid had already talked about trying to slip Feinstein's monsterous AWB back into it later as an amendment... hence my comment about keeping the camel's nose out of the tent in order to avoid ending up with camel droppings on the rug.

    So there ya have it in a nutshell...
    If a psychologically unstable person, who would have been blocked by a background check, were allowed to buy a weapon and then harm people with it, would your perspective change?

  7. #137
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Last Seen
    08-19-16 @ 02:13 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    5,243

    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    93% of Americans are in favor of background checks. Sad that 46 Senators lack a backbone to stand up to the NRA and the wacko gun lobby.
    Is it all the way up to 93% now?

    Do you honestly believe that many senators voted against their constituents the year before elections? You've been drinking the kool-aid Dude.

  8. #138
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    don't forget, the awb and the magazines both went down today too

    indeed, both crashed (significantly) harder

    difi's awb, for example, died, 40 to 60

    ie, only 40 democrats would assent to ban the ar15, et al

    the 15 d's who departed were---baucus of montana, begich alaska, bennett colorado, udall colorado, udall new mexico, heinrich new mexico, pryor arkansas, donnelly indiana, heitkamp and tim johnson from the dakotas, tester montana, warner virginia, hagan north carolina and manchin

    fyi

    party on! progressives

  9. #139
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,750
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    This is what they get for trying to exploit Newtown to pass a bill that would have had no effect on Newtown.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  10. #140
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,574

    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If a psychologically unstable person, who would have been blocked by a background check, were allowed to buy a weapon and then harm people with it, would your perspective change?
    better ten unstable people get guns than one person be improperly denied and then slain. you see, the people most likely to use a gun to commit murder or other intentional crimes are the people least likely to be deterred by gun legislation

    gun control tends to restrict GOOD gun owners far more than BAD gun owners

    if you had been beaten and raped because you were disarmed would you be more likely to carry a gun next time out?



Page 14 of 47 FirstFirst ... 4121314151624 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •