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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I believe many people in the US saw this bill as a step in the right direction and a compromise, from what I read no one was saying it was going to stop mass shootings but it would of got the ball moving in some peoples eyes. The fact that this bill was shot down just confirms to me that the right are unwilling to even to meet the left anywhere near the middle and nothing will ever change in the US.
    So,now IYV, anyone who voted the bill is a member of the "right"? What would this bill have done to prevent a criminal from getting a weapon? You see, criminals don't obey laws, hence the label criminals
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I believe many people in the US saw this bill as a step in the right direction and a compromise, from what I read no one was saying it was going to stop mass shootings but it would of got the ball moving in some peoples eyes. The fact that this bill was shot down just confirms to me that the right are unwilling to even to meet the left anywhere near the middle and nothing will ever change in the US. Its sad for people like my wife's family who's opinion and views get ignored under the weight of the NRA and their millions of dollars.
    I think you are looking at this wrong. The constitution guarantees the right of the individual to bear arms. Not to have that right taken away by incrementalism. The way this works is background checks today, gun registration tomorrow, then having to obtain government permission to buy a gun the day after followed by gun confiscation the day after that.

    I have seen too many what looks like common sense compromises today on different issues lead to loss of rights later. It is called incrementalism and that is what was at play here.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Says a poll of 1000 americans. Did you actually ask 100%? Of course not. Why don't you put it to a real vote, and try and get a constitutional amendment passed?
    polls based on poor information have no validity

    I can guarantee if people knew as much as I did, far less would support that turd of a law

    information including

    1) that the government has prosecuted less than 300 people who have committed perjury on the Form 4473-a number that is close to TWO MILLION

    2) that its basically a strict liability offense--if you claim you can legally own a gun and you have a felony, a dishonorable discharge, are a fugitive from justice, an illegal alien, etc, you have PERJURED YOURSELF and the government can put you in prison for FIVE years

    3) the turd of a law cannot be enforced unless all gun owners are forced to keep a log-open to government inspection, of all arms owned, purchased or sold and the dates and destinations of such sales

    4) that everyone who wants registration, gun bans and magazine restrictions supports this turd of a law



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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Reasonable restrictions don't require a Constitutional Amendment. An Amendment would only be necessary for infringments that could not be supported by a compelling governmental interest. Not the case here.
    for someone to discuss reasonable restrictions they have to be reasonable. Your posts demonstrate you are a hard core gun hater who wants to ban guns and harass gun owners every chance you can. Thus your concept of what is reasonable really has no merit to most of us who support gun rights



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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Absolutely. But that's something that a lot of the people on this site do not understand. They think ANY restriction automatically is unconstitutional. They refuse to be educated.
    if the constitution was properly interpreted and the tenth amendment enforced as it should be then all federal gun control legislation is unconstitutional. Not only because of the second amendment but more importantly, the tenth



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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I believe many people in the US saw this bill as a step in the right direction and a compromise, from what I read no one was saying it was going to stop mass shootings but it would of got the ball moving in some peoples eyes. The fact that this bill was shot down just confirms to me that the right are unwilling to even to meet the left anywhere near the middle and nothing will ever change in the US. Its sad for people like my wife's family who's opinion and views get ignored under the weight of the NRA and their millions of dollars.
    yeah that direction being severe bans

    that is another reason why I opposed this turd of a bill



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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I was just wondering, has there been any project/issue that VP Biden has been put in charge of over the past 4 plus years that has actually been successful?
    He has been a strong protector of Obama. think about it-who in god's name would want Biden as President



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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Easy...Big Money and the NRA is very good at slimeballing people in elections. A lot of the red state politicians are deathly afraid of the NRA even when their constituents support reasonable restrictions.
    So what you are saying is that the democrat leaning voters in their districts are more likely to be swayed by the tactics of the NRA? I would not believe given our media coverage, that they would get away with that. You would think that the more educated progressive voters would see right through it.
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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    some recent murder stats....Keep spinning it mate.

    In the US population 311.5 million (1) there were an estimated 13,756 murders in 2009 (2), a rate of about 5.0 per 100,000 (3). Of these 9,203 were carried out with a firearm.

    In the UK population 56.1 million (4) there were an estimated 550 murders in 2011-12 (5), a rate of about 1.4 per 100,000. Of these 39 were carried out with a firearm


    p.s our violent crime rate is measured very differently to Americas.
    Ok, fair point on how it is measured. I will take that into account here in this post.

    You have less guns so obviously your gun murder rate would lower. I was talking about violent crime. You know, those things guns help prevent. Your violent crime rate if we were to measure it exactly the same as how the FBI measures violent crime is about TWO times higher. If we were to measure them side by side like i did before its about three times. Still, two times higher still shows there is no reason the US wants to be like the UK and disarm its citizens.

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    Re: The Senate has defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on fire

    half hour ago:

    Never before had President Barack Obama put the moral force and political muscle of his presidency behind an issue quite this big — and lost quite this badly.
    Gun control: Obama's Biggest Loss/Politico

    you don't want to be heidi heitkamp right now, she's not even up in '14

    he's hot, made clear his displeasure, there will be hell

    it was baucus, who today called the very obamacare he primarily wrote a "huge train wreck..."

    not just a train wreck, mind you...

    a HUGE train wreck

    yes, it was baucus and pryor and begich from alaska

    and yes, the boss is bitchy

    he threw what could fairly be described as a tantrum in the rose garden an hour after the vote

    they "caved," he cawed

    they "couldn't offer [him] any good reasons," he dismissed disdainfully

    he's not a very good listener

    flanked by poor gabby giffords, a "visibly shaken" joe biden and, of course, the families

    they "look for an excuse, any excuse, to say no," he complained

    i think it's fair to say that all non apologists could acknowledge what politico calls his "less than johnsonian powers of personal persuasion"

    watching him, hearing him, one wonders what he cares more about, all this, or what happened in boston 2 days ago

    he's certainly more pissed today

    ofa, which can get you an authentic, genuine white house invite for half a mil...

    nyt:

    Giving or raising $500,000 or more puts donors on a national advisory board for Mr. Obama’s group and the privilege of attending quarterly meetings with the president, along with other meetings at the White House.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/us...nfessore&_r=1&

    yes, ofa's fighting back---a national "day of action!"

    scary

    but who's ofa going after?

    mark begich?

    this was sposed to be schumer's "sweet spot"

    fortunately, no one really cares

    Gallup: Only 4% of Americans Think Gun Control is an Important Problem | CNS News

    so you got this kinda pissy president running around spending all his time chasing some gun-control windmill only he (and piers morgan) really care about...

    and LOSING all the while, to boot

    while the entire nation kinda sees itself as, if not dying, at least in some sorta existential crossroads

    we got body parts on boylston street

    and this horrendous philly abortion murder trial, where necks are snipped, babies are delivered like raining fetuses in toilets stained with blood

    with some of the worst anti black racism this country has seen in a long time (the abortionists' original sin)...

    the workforce is in the low 60's, personal income is down net, the gdp is microscopic

    the gold market is in panic...

    are you really surprised?
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