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AP Source: Arrest Imminent In Marathon Bombings [W:75]

Re: Officials: Arrest 'imminent' in Boston bombing case

1. Ok, so you are backing off your statement that she said specifically "that right wing extremists are the biggest threat to national security." I'm glad to see that, even though you're not actually admitting that you lied.


No, I'm not backing off my claim. When setting out to write a report on the threat of radicalization in the US, the ONLY group that Napolitano's DHS found to be a serious threat were right wing radicals, and backed it up with a lot of very poor arguments. I assume that the poor arguments were actually born of irrational fear only because I will give her the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't purposeful fear mongering for political purposes. At some point you have to just hope these people are stupid and not political miscreants.

2. A single report does not indicate what you are suggesting.


Sure it does. You don't make something that ignorant of facts and so twisted in it's conclusions without some underlying flaw.


3. Just because it focused on illegal immigration, or anything else, again, you can't take that as evidence that she thinks it's a number one priority. You seem to be arguing that instead of reporting on trends, we should stick our head in the sand so you won't be offended. I'm sorry, but you don't have the right to now be offended. And in reality, you shouldn't be offended. The same way that a peaceful Muslim shouldn't be offended if the United States government releases a report saying that a certain group of Muslims may be planning attacks.


SHE ISN'T REPORTING ON TRENDS. None of her sources confirmed the trend she was trying is trying to show. This report is simply fear that it MAY happen based on poorly used reports that don't support the claim.


4. It's driving evidence was not shootings in Pittsburg. It was based off of other studies previously done showing that radical groups were looking to recruit veterans and are playing off of fears.
Extremist Report Draws Criticism; Prompts Apology - NYTimes.com

False. Those assertions were vague and gave no hard numbers so they are completely meaningless to the assertion of the paper that right wing radicalism is on the rise. The only concrete evidence of any of their points put forward was the Pittsburgh shooter days before the report was released.

Also, You are wrong, that Napolitano report was not commissioned by Bush, it simply mentioned one FBI study from 2008 that doesn't even support the reports claim. "Some" Veterans of the Iraq war returned to the US and joined Catholic Church... would you then assume that Catholic Church attendance is growing? You may find through in depth study that the Catholic Church attendance is on the rise and you could even conclude with an even more detailed study that the growth is predominantly from Iraq War veterans, but you have to actually conduct the study. Napalitano's claims were utterly groundless and not the product of due diligence. It was a hand waving blathering screed.

You're being offended by factual information. That's your problem.

No, sorry, that you can't seem to parse the idiocy in that report is not my fault.

5.It's only obvious to you where her fears lie. I think it's pure speculation on your part to take one report that's purpose was just to inform police on possible signs to look for and to twist that into her starting a war against anybody that is right wing.


No, it's fairly obvious to a lot of people, not just me. This report draws a lot of unjustifiable conclusions from a bunch of sources that didn't support the conclusion. People join Group X... Does that means Group X is growing? No. The assertion hasn't established if those LEAVING Group X are less than those joining, so the conclusion is not justifiable. Unfortunately, that is the extent of the rationale in the DHS document.
 
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No, I'm not backing off my claim.

Ok then, thanks for letting me know there is no need to further the discussion or to read the rest of what you wrote. You stated, very clearly:
jmotivator said:
Napolitano took a political hit for comments early in her tenure that right wing extremists are the biggest threat to national security.

And up to this point you have not provided any evidence that this actually happened, you have merely speculated that she possibly thinks this because her department released a report outlining the possible threats, recruiting tactics and reasoning behind these growing groups.

If you can't just come out and say that you completely make up any "comments" that you are contributing to her, then I won't waste my time debating the rest with you.

I hope you have a good day though.
 
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Oh please...

I doubt it but it wouldn't surprise me.

Especially if they find out the attacks were foreign by some organized group and another few incidents happen.
I think Obama's current agenda wants only the gov to have firearms and freedom.
 
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It was Ricin....but whatever...it fits the conspiricy theory.

My bad. I was split between this conversation and the long dead useless sarin buried in sand and found in Iraq in 2004. Thanks for getting me back on topic.
 
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My bad. I was split between this conversation and the long dead useless sarin buried in sand and found in Iraq in 2004. Thanks for getting me back on topic.

Funny coincidence that you would say that. I work with a few techs that are on permanent disability due to nerve damage because of that long dead useless sarin. I also personally know guys hit with mustard agent that had been in the ground since WWI and will most likely have to be medically discharge. The stuff may not be as potent but hardly dead.
 
Re: Officials: Arrest 'imminent' in Boston bombing case

Funny coincidence that you would say that. I work with a few techs that are on permanent disability due to nerve damage because of that long dead useless sarin. I also personally know guys hit with mustard agent that had been in the ground since WWI and will most likely have to be medically discharge. The stuff may not be as potent but hardly dead.

I had just read that they (Iraqi's) buried it in the desert in plastic bags that were leaking. I definitely wouldn't eat it with my cheerios but the context of that discussion was WMD's or not. Sorry about your buddies getting mixed up with it. That's rough.
 
Re: Officials: Arrest 'imminent' in Boston bombing case

Great news. Bring the bastard to justice.
 
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I had just read that they (Iraqi's) buried it in the desert in plastic bags that were leaking. I definitely wouldn't eat it with my cheerios but the context of that discussion was WMD's or not. Sorry about your buddies getting mixed up with it. That's rough.

They also buried the filled projectiles and paved over hundreds of them. It was a major highway too. :roll:
 
Re: Officials: Arrest 'imminent' in Boston bombing case

Great news. Bring the bastard to justice.

False alarm. News jumped the gun... again.
 
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Why I of course I do :lol: .....and I think a couple of others had in up in a couple of the other threads too with their links. Although I am sure you could have looked it for yourself with the WSJ.

Five More Explosive Devices Found in Boston
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In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon explosions, counterterrorism officials have found what they believe to be five additional, undetonated explosive devices around the Boston area, according to two people briefed on the rapidly-moving investigation.

In the aftermath of the Boston Marathon explosions, counterterrorism officials have found what they believe to be five additional, undetonated explosive devices around the Boston area, according to two people briefed on the rapidly-moving investigation.

The devices — which are in addition to the two that exploded near the finish line of the marathon — were discovered over the course of a frantic inspection of suspicious packages, many of them abandoned as pedestrians, runners, and others scrambled away from crowded public streets. Each had been rendered inoperative or was in the process of being rendered inoperative, the officials said.

But the officials also sounded a note of caution, saying they are moving quickly and each device they believe is a bomb has not been fully dissected or analyzed.....snip~

Five More Explosive Devices Found in Boston - Wall Street Journal - WSJ.com

Pretty shakey. Sounds like BS to me since no one else is reporting this. This rumor has been rebuked.

5. Five additional incendiary devices found. Reported by: the Wall Street Journal, which initially said that counterterrorism officials had found five unexploded devices around the Boston area—separate from the two detonated bombs. The New York Times reported three unexploded devices, including one at the corner of St. James and Trinity Streets, and another outside the city in Newton. But the Journal walked back its report quickly and Newton police rebutted the bomb report. On Tuesday, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick confirmed that "two and only two explosive devices were found yesterday," although many packages were investigated. "There were no unexploded explosive devices found." Both articles have since been updated.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/boston-marathon-bombing-fact-fiction
 
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Anyone else see this?


Chaos as Boston courthouse is evacuated amid false report suspect was detained | PIX 11

I hate the media, I really do. All logic goes out the window, and the only thing that matters is scooping the next guy with sources that unverified.

What about how selective they are? Kim Il Un is probably screaming threats at the top of his lungs right now but we won't hear anything as the media can't multitask very well. Not saying that is a bad thing but just saying.
 
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What about how selective they are? Kim Il Un is probably screaming threats at the top of his lungs right now but we won't hear anything as the media can't multitask very well. Not saying that is a bad thing but just saying.

I don't think that's selectness for political gain, the thing with North Korea. I just don't think the capability is of concern in the immediate moment. There is some proliferation that needs to happen before that threat becomes an imminent concern. The bombs in Boston is fresh, people are paniced, and turning to their TV to tell them what to do. If the networks don't give the lemmings what they want, they will change the channel. So, the networks give them what they want, 'arresting a dark skinned suspect', so they could get their ratings. I watch the network news these days, purely for the entertainment value akin to a bad realty show. I'm waiting for Geraldo Rivera to jump a shark in his leather jacket. Maybe that will save the country.
 
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Holy crap the Daily Show is completely roasting the dog**** out of CNN for their horrible jumping the gun reporting on this. A much deserved roasting mind you.
 
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I'm just not inclined to knee-jerk blame "the media." These are folks doing their best to feed the insatiable beast of insta-info.
 
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In my entire life, I have never seen such a crapfest of BS being shoveled as verifiable fact as I saw on CNN's coverage of the Boston bombing. Those people were basically reading the AP and WSJ, and reporting everything they read there as golden without going to the named authorities they were told to check with before reporting anything.

Now the bomber(s) know there is a picture of him floating around, so it's time to put on a disguise and hit the road. What a gigantic cluster****, and they have nobody but themselves to blame. They knew the individuals authorized to validate information; they probably just couldn't get through to them and in one case a CNN analyst inadvertently admitted he'd called a buddy who knew a buddy who had insider info that could be trusted. Guh!!! :2mad:
 
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I'm just not inclined to knee-jerk blame "the media." These are folks doing their best to feed the insatiable beast of insta-info.
Meh...they dont want to be 'right'...they just want to be 'first'.
 
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Pretty shakey. Sounds like BS to me since no one else is reporting this. This rumor has been rebuked.



6 False Things You Heard About the Boston Bombing | Mother Jones

I wouldn't care if Sounds like BS to you.....the WSJ reported it.....looks like it was debunked as you say.....4 hrs later. Course I have been bitching about the Media Coverage over it all.

Course your Liberal Slant of Mother Jones says there was no Unexploded devices found.....yet then Huffington Posts says this......

Boston Marathon Explosion: Headquarters On Lockdown Following Blast Near Race Finish Line (LIVE UPDATES)

The number of casualties changed rapidly throughout the afternoon. Two people were killed and more than 130 others were injured, according to a preliminary statement from the Boston Police Department. The number rose to more than 100 injured shortly after 5 p.m. and kept growing as the day progressed, the Boston Globe reported.

The first blast filled a spectator gallery near the finish line with a gray cloud of smoke. Screaming witnesses immediately fled the area. Ten seconds later, a second explosion jolted the crowd.

An unexploded device was also recovered, Davis said......snip~

Boston Marathon Explosion: Headquarters On Lockdown Following Blast Near Race Finish Line (LIVE UPDATES)

Damn.....one Liberal Source Debunking another Liberal Source. Do you think that is Bull**** too? Not to mention Davis the Police Chief Admitted to finding this Unexploded Device that was recovered. Also I don't think you did a very good job looking up all the different New Sources that said 2 bombs exploded......then Boston Police saying they found 2 more unexploded devices.

Maybe the MS Media News peeps should quit trying to spoof each other while trying to report accurately, without constantly saying they are talking to some Official.....huh?

Do you think Huffpo what they reported, what the Police Chief said over their live feed, about finding another device was debunked too? Did you think Huffpos was BS as well?
 
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I wouldn't care if Sounds like BS to you.....the WSJ reported it.....looks like it was debunked as you say.....4 hrs later.

Four hours after the report yes it was debunked. You on the other hand felt the need to post it as fact 2 days after the blast because somehow it was tied to the right wing fishwrap WSJ. . It had long since been shown to be BS. As to you caring what I think, that wasn't the point. Do us all a favor, when you post articles, post links. You have a bad habit of not doing so. Hard to refute when there is no source.
 
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Four hours after the report yes it was debunked. You on the other hand felt the need to post it as fact 2 days after the blast because somehow it was tied to the right wing fishwrap WSJ. . It had long since been shown to be BS. As to you caring what I think, that wasn't the point. Do us all a favor, when you post articles, post links. You have a bad habit of not doing so. Hard to refute when there is no source.


Not quite I have been in on this from the beginning and it was you that came in a day and a half later asking for a link. Acting like some New Sources didn't say such. Then it was you that couldn't look up the WSJ yourself.....so lets not confuse those facts as to when you jumped into the mix and got all confused as to what was being said out there. Hence your 4 hr delay. :roll:

I at least threw up the new source and the link you asked for. So save that BS about links. Also if the link is in the thread and I copy and paste from that link. Then its sniped from the same link everybody else has. All know I have know problem throwing up links.....you threw up Mother Jones. What a joke. Next time try coming with something else your left slanted BS. I noticed that Jones Didn't want to Debunk the Police Chief or Huff-Po.
 
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Not quite I have been in on this from the beginning and it was you that came in a day and a half later asking for a link. Acting like some New Sources didn't say such. Then it was you that couldn't look up the WSJ yourself.....so lets not confuse those facts as to when you jumped into the mix and got all confused as to what was being said out there. Hence your 4 hr delay. :roll:

I at least threw up the new source and the link you asked for. So save that BS about links. Also if the link is in the thread and I copy and paste from that link. Then its sniped from the same link everybody else has. All know I have know problem throwing up links.....you threw up Mother Jones. What a joke. Next time try coming with something else your left slanted BS. I noticed that Jones Didn't want to Debunk the Police Chief or Huff-Po.

Dude, you post pap constantly without links. And I was correct. Your post was debunked before you even posted it. Get over it.
 
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