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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

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    At the time it was AngloAmerican versus Nazism and you are correct that I bought into the entire AngloAmerican meme. I bear no shame for this.
    Which is your right. I just have my doubts.................

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes dear, try reading the entire article, even it mentions neoconservatism in other countries.

    Neoconservatism in Other Countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And one other thing. You're wrong about DeGaulle too. He oversaw the abandonment of French Algeria.
    Um, get a clue, after a very bloody civil uprising, the French under De Gaulle, withdrew from Algeria. Going through a civil war to hold a colony is hardly "abandonment". I suppose the withdraw from Vietnam by France after Dien Bien Phu was "abandonment" too. I'm sure you characterize our leaving the same country the same way too. You just show over and over how limited your view of topics really is.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Which is your right. I just have my doubts.................
    Then why did you first make the claim that you now say you doubt? You didn't notice I was agreeing with you?

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes dear, try reading the entire article, even it mentions neoconservatism in other countries.

    Neoconservatism in Other Countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    What differences do you find between 'neo Conservatism' and 'Conservatism'?

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, get a clue, after a very bloody civil uprising, the French under De Gaulle, withdrew from Algeria. Going through a civil war to hold a colony is hardly "abandonment". I suppose the withdraw from Vietnam by France after Dien Bien Phu was "abandonment" too. I'm sure you characterize our leaving the same country the same way too. You just show over and over how limited your view of topics really is.
    They are euphemisms for 'retreat', as is 'withdraw'.

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What differences do you find between 'neo Conservatism' and 'Conservatism'?
    already discussed
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The basic tenets of low taxation, an aggressive use of military force to further a dominant economic/strategic position, a disdain for international diplomacy, a tolerance towards the size of govt and welfare, a moralistic view towards social policy.....are not restricted to a particular place or family.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    They are euphemisms for 'retreat', as is 'withdraw'.
    It is a semantic tomfoolery, the point was that Gaullism fought to keep it's colonies as opposed to negotiated, low/no conflict decolonization by Britain post WWII.

    Beyond that, it is a tangent to distract from his error that neoconservatism is restricted by genetics or geography.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Occupied France was duped into siding with the Allies on the promise that they could have their empire back in the postwar period. The Allies forgot to tell the French they were promising virtually the entire colonialized world their freedom in the postwar period in return for their support.............................
    Well, not exactly, since the US declined to assist Ho Chi Minh precisely because US policy was to support the return of the French to Indochina. The French did not leave Algeria until 1962.
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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes dear, try reading the entire article, even it mentions neoconservatism in other countries.

    Neoconservatism in Other Countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    And each application of the term outside the U.S. may be handy shorthand for this or that specific policy discussion, but it is fundamentally an error. The term has no real meaning outside the context of U.S. political thought and politics.
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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, get a clue, after a very bloody civil uprising, the French under De Gaulle, withdrew from Algeria. Going through a civil war to hold a colony is hardly "abandonment". I suppose the withdraw from Vietnam by France after Dien Bien Phu was "abandonment" too. I'm sure you characterize our leaving the same country the same way too. You just show over and over how limited your view of topics really is.
    The French army won the war in Algeria. DeGaulle's decision to withdraw was political. In any case, to return to your original point, Gaullism did not make retention of the colonies central.
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