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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Historically inaccurate agit-prop.

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    If it's agitation and propaganda then feel free to debunk it.

    Too many people on this site like to do drive-by comments like this but fail to substantiate anything they say.

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    If it's agitation and propaganda then feel free to debunk it.

    Too many people on this site like to do drive-by comments like this but fail to substantiate anything they say.
    Beats impossibly common remarks such as expressing hope that someone dead is buried face down so she can see the hell she's going to.

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    If it's agitation and propaganda then feel free to debunk it.

    Too many people on this site like to do drive-by comments like this but fail to substantiate anything they say.
    I'll just refer you to this week's edition of The Economist. Baroness Thatcher's photo is on the cover, with the caption "Freedom fighter" in large letters. Read and learn.
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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Beats impossibly common remarks such as expressing hope that someone dead is buried face down so she can see the hell she's going to.
    It's how I feel... plus I found it kind of funny. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'll just refer you to this week's edition of The Economist. Baroness Thatcher's photo is on the cover, with the caption "Freedom fighter" in large letters. Read and learn.
    Nice cop out.

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Beats impossibly common remarks such as expressing hope that someone dead is buried face down so she can see the hell she's going to.
    Not common at all, fairly novel usage, in fact.
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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Nice cop out.
    If you're that lazy, I'll help you.

    Margaret Thatcher: Freedom fighter | The Economist
    http://www.economist.com/.../2157609...rld-needs-hold...
    6 days ago – ONLY a handful of peacetime politicians can claim to have changed the world. Margaret Thatcher was one. She transformed not just her own ...

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If you're that lazy, I'll help you.

    Margaret Thatcher: Freedom fighter | The Economist
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    6 days ago – ONLY a handful of peacetime politicians can claim to have changed the world. Margaret Thatcher was one. She transformed not just her own ...

    I don't think you're understanding. Since this is a debate forum, you're free to argue against what I said. Simply posting an article with no quotes or context is no better than someone posting a youtube video and saying, "Here! This proves you wrong."

    Don't accuse me of being lazy because YOU won't type out an actual argument.

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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I don't think you're understanding. Since this is a debate forum, you're free to argue against what I said. Simply posting an article with no quotes or context is no better than someone posting a youtube video and saying, "Here! This proves you wrong."

    Don't accuse me of being lazy because YOU won't type out an actual argument.
    Only a handful of peacetime politicians can claim to have changed the world. Margaret Thatcher was one. She transformed not just her own Conservative Party, but the whole of British politics. Her enthusiasm for privatisation launched a global revolution and her willingness to stand up to tyranny helped to bring an end to the Soviet Union. Winston Churchill won a war, but he never created an “-ism”. The essence of Thatcherism was to oppose the status quo and bet on freedom: the right of individuals to run their own lives, as free as possible from micromanagement by the state.

    In her early years in politics, economic liberalism was in retreat, the Soviet Union was extending its empire, and Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek were dismissed as academic eccentrics. The ideas of Friedman and Hayek persuaded her that things could be different. Most of this radicalism was hidden from the British electorate that voted her into office in 1979, largely in frustration with Labour’s ineptitude. What followed was an economic revolution. She privatised state industries, refused to negotiate with the unions, abolished state controls, broke the striking miners and replaced Keynesianism with Friedman’s monetarism. The inflation rate fell from a high of 27% in 1975 to 2.4% in 1986. The number of working days lost to strikes fell from 29m in 1979 to 2m in 1986. The top rate of tax fell from 83% to 40%.

    For a world in desperate need of growth, this is the wrong direction. Europe will never thrive until it frees up its markets. America will throttle its recovery unless it avoids overregulation. China will not sustain its success unless it starts to liberalise. This is a crucial time to hang on to Margaret Thatcher’s central perception: that for countries to flourish, people need to push back against the advance of the state. What the world needs now is more Thatcherism, not less.
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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'll just refer you to this week's edition of The Economist. Baroness Thatcher's photo is on the cover, with the caption "Freedom fighter" in large letters. Read and learn.
    Because "Freedom fighters" associate with murderous fascist dictators and support Apartheid regimes....
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    Re: Obama sends former officials to Thatcher funeral

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    Because "Freedom fighters" associate with murderous fascist dictators and support Apartheid regimes....
    Sometimes they do. She shepherded the Zimbabwe peace and independence process to fruition and secured valuable assistance from Chile in the Falklands War.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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