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Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162, 896, 911]]

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Jango said:
Obviously the government cannot be everywhere in a free society, otherwise, it couldn't and wouldn't be a free society. However, there was a security apparatus present at the Boston Marathon. There is no telling how far or deep that surveillance and effort went. The men and women being paid to perform the duties of security for the event, defined solely upon their function, failed yesterday to perform their functions to their definition. It is what it is. I don't see why people need to deny it. In fact, denying failure is dangerous. How do you learn
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I doubt many people expect "the government" to protect them. If they do, they're fools.
 
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Runners usually carry small bags with sweats and stuff and stash them somewhere around the finish line, but I would not think they would let them there for that reason.
Fisher said:
I have considered the possibility it was a murder attempt disguised as a terrorist attack, but right now, my gut makes me think this was the work of a college student in a high pressure field snapping with exams and/or the realization they are about to get kicked out. I doubt anybody but a college age student could have pulled off carrying a backpack or what looked like a laundry bag into a patrolled area without raising eyebrows.
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Listen carefully. ITS THE BEAM. I think I prefaced this line of thought with that disclaimer.
ecofarm said:
And instead of shooting, poisoning, car-crashing or just plain bludgeoning that person... bomb the Boston marathon and blame it on AlQ?

That's too much, you better cut back on TV consumption.
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mak2 said:
Listen carefully. ITS THE BEAM. I think I prefaced this line of thought with that disclaimer.
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Don't blame Jim, he's innocent. The TV is to blame!
 
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MaggieD said:
I doubt many people expect "the government" to protect them. If they do, they're fools.
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Yes, seeing men and women in uniform in and around the place equals nothing. :roll:
 
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mak2 said:
Why, I been drinking. But it is possible the target was a specific person.
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3 reasons

1) That's a lot of trouble and planning to kill one person

2) Two much uncertainty. Anything could happen to the targeted person along the way to say with such precision exactly when they would be near the bomb.

3) Even if they calculated the time, the guy could have crossed the finish line on the far side of the street.
 
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Jango said:
Yes, seeing men and women in uniform in and around the place equals nothing. :roll:
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If you think men and women in uniform assures your safety, you never heard of the Fort Hood shooting.
 
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I wonder what the death toll would have been without them.
MaggieD said:
If you think men and women in uniform assures your safety, you never heard of the Fort Hood shooting.
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mak2 said:
I wonder what the death toll would have been without them.
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The same...........
 
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I bet at least one held pressure on a bleeder.
apdst said:
The same...........
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MaggieD said:
I doubt many people expect "the government" to protect them. If they do, they're fools.
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I'm not sure there is there is any protection from this type of thing.
 
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apdst said:
Because people would have been massing AWAY from bomb number one and towards bomb number two. Did you see the film clip that showed both bombs going off? If you did, you saw that there were alot more--twice as many--people around the second bomb, than the first.
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Still makes no sense as far as numbers go, since just as many people would run the other direction, and many would run toward it, in order to either help or gawk; it seems it would be a wash as far as numbers of people in a given area.

I didn't see all the films, but the ones I did see didn't indicate enough to make that determination, and many of the films show the police trying to drive gawkers away from the first bomb as well as the second, especially since the second went off too soon after the first to make that matter as a tactic, at least from the vids I've seen; the surprise and shock made people stop in their tracks for the most part, followed by just as many people running toward the blasts as away.
 
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Oberon said:
Still makes no sense as far as numbers go, since just as many people would run the other direction, and many would run toward it, in order to either help or gawk; it seems it would be a wash as far as numbers of people in a given area.

I didn't see all the films, but the ones I did see didn't indicate enough to make that determination, and many of the films show the police trying to drive gawkers away from the first bomb as well as the second, especially since the second went off too soon after the first to make that matter as a tactic, at least from the vids I've seen; the surprise and shock made people stop in their tracks for the most part, followed by just as many people running toward the blasts as away.
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My understanding from two of the doctors present was that these were not "gawkers" but people trying to help, to see if they could offer assistance in any way. They had to be turned back because there was little they could do.
 
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Grant said:
My understanding from two of the doctors present was that these were not "gawkers" but people trying to help, to see if they could offer assistance in any way. They had to be turned back because there was little they could do.
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Some obviously were, from the vids I've seen; also some were looters as well.
 
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looters? really? talk about needing an ass whippin.
Oberon said:
Some obviously were, from the vids I've seen; also some were looters as well.
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mak2 said:
looters? really? talk about needing an ass whippin.
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Yes, really, and I agree, but I would go with shotguns fired into their asses than with whipping them.
 
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I am anti capital punishment, but can see your sentiment.
Oberon said:
Yes, really, and I agree, but I would go with shotguns fired into their asses than with whipping them.
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Jango said:
Obviously the government cannot be everywhere in a free society, otherwise, it couldn't and wouldn't be a free society. However, there was a security apparatus present at the Boston Marathon. There is no telling how far or deep that surveillance and effort went. The men and women being paid to perform the duties of security for the event, defined solely upon their function, failed yesterday to perform their functions to their definition. It is what it is. I don't see why people need to deny it. In fact, denying failure is dangerous. How do you learn from something if you deny it in the first place?
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Look at where there is "complete" control, a prison. The "government" (not really, but for the purpose of the analogy) cannot even keep drugs and weapons out of prison... How could they protect against something like that?!

It's horrible I know, but really, other than the luck of catching the person in the act of placing something there's not much that can be done for prevention... Though, there are already calls for more cameras, but you can have cameras on everything, but you can't have the personnel to track it all...

But yes, this is a failure, but all reasonable steps are taken to mitigate the chances of these things happening so it takes someone truly motivated, and short of luck there's very little chance to actually prevent somethin like this, unfortunately. It doesn't matter how many armed guards / police you have around...
 
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Oberon said:
I haven't read the last 50 or so pages of the thread, so maybe this has already been discussed, but assuming the bombers wanted maximum effect at the end of the race, and ended up with the timers set so they went off about an hour afterwards, if that might be because their watches were set to a different time zone and they didn't allow for this, which would mean they weren't resident on the east coast and based further west than the eastern time zone. Doesn't narrow anything down much, but just a passing thought.
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The bombs killed 3 already and injured about 170, so there was no shortage of victims.

The bombs were timed to go off when lots of people were around, the results confirm that.
 
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Grant said:
Is there any evidence of this?
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Right here on this thread is the first place that I've heard anything about 'looters' and I've read lots of reports.

Sounds like urban legend BS to me.
 
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Anyone claimed responsibility for this terror? The police seem to have been informed about the threat. Plus if there were bomb squads there how did they not manage to find the bombs before they blew away?
 
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