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Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162, 896, 911]]

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rocket88 said:
IF you knew ahead of time WHICH person you wanted to keep out, you could.
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Not necessarily.

What if they changed appearance?
Entered at an unexpected place?
Or any number of other options to make it nigh-impossible to find them at all, let alone stop their entry into the country...
 
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Jango said:
It doesn't matter how I think they could have prevented it or how I think they failed, what matters most, as you clearly know, is that they did fail. The most important thing now is to get a complete and accurate accounting of the events in which we can glean a full understanding of them. And in order to get that, we need transparency. It best serves so we don't have episodes like this again.
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I don't see there being any way to prevent all such attacks. I don't really think anyone is to blame except the bomber (s).
 
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Jango said:
It doesn't matter how I think they could have prevented it or how I think they failed, what matters most, as you clearly know, is that they did fail. The most important thing now is to get a complete and accurate accounting of the events in which we can glean a full understanding of them. And in order to get that, we need transparency. It best serves so we don't have episodes like this again.
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We will have episodes like this again.
 
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I think America should take a look at the IRA bombings of the UK which went on for several decades and realise that unfortunately it is very difficult to stop these kind of attacks, you just have to make sure every city is equipped to handle the aftermath.
 
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Surtr said:
I doubt it's radical Muslims. They would have said something by now. When the radicals strike, they'll usually tell you it was them, and they tend to have a fetish for symbolic targets. I can't imagine that some marathon in Boston would mean jack-**** to them.
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The marathon would not. The fact it is so highly televised throughout the world does. They have been promoting lone wolf and small cell attacks on large scale sporting events for a long time. They have no issues killing men, women or children. It is not even a concern. Looks like they may have gotten lucky with this one but we will see.
 
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Jango said:
It doesn't matter how I think they could have prevented it or how I think they failed, what matters most, as you clearly know, is that they did fail. The most important thing now is to get a complete and accurate accounting of the events in which we can glean a full understanding of them. And in order to get that, we need transparency. It best serves so we don't have episodes like this again.
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Contrary to popular belief, the government is not all seeing, all protecting. They can only catch the ones they know about and provide some deterrence to those they don't. You plug one hole, they will make another. That is the cost of a free society.
 
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rocket88 said:
No you didn't.

I was saying in general to everyone. Not that it's stopping people...
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Then, why did you respond to my post with that comment?!?
 
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Ben K. said:
He kinda did. He used an initial bomb to kill a few people which also acted as a diversion so he could maximise killings with an a concurrent second attack.

It only required one guy.
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No, he wasn't even close. Setting off the bomb didn't cause his targets to crowd together to create a massed target for him.

Obviously, the objective of the Boston bombing was for the first bomb to create a massed target for the second bomb. This is Tactics 101 stuff.

You et. al. keep illustrating my point for me: those of you that have zero tactical training don't have any idea what was done here; hence, the bomber has had some kind of tactical training.
 
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Grant said:
On the other hand, who is the first group that comes to mind when these sorts of things happen?
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According to the Libbos, it's always a homegrown Right wing extremist.
 
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mak2 said:
I dont hope the bomber is anybody, I just hope we find him. I think it is sick to root for or agianst one group or another. I must just be getting old and confused, Americans are dead in the streets, many injured and you guys are rooting for the perps to be a certian group. Com'on man...
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When did I root for these scumbags to be any group? Post a link...right now! If you can't post link, then grow up.
 
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I haven't read the last 50 or so pages of the thread, so maybe this has already been discussed, but assuming the bombers wanted maximum effect at the end of the race, and ended up with the timers set so they went off about an hour afterwards, if that might be because their watches were set to a different time zone and they didn't allow for this, which would mean they weren't resident on the east coast and based further west than the eastern time zone. Doesn't narrow anything down much, but just a passing thought.
 
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apdst said:
No, he wasn't even close. Setting off the bomb didn't cause his targets to crowd together to create a massed target for him.

Obviously, the objective of the Boston bombing was for the first bomb to create a massed target for the second bomb. This is Tactics 101 stuff.

You et. al. keep illustrating my point for me: those of you that have zero tactical training don't have any idea what was done here; hence, the bomber has had some kind of tactical training.
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Well, I'm dense and need it spelled out for me why the second bomb was too far away from the first for to have any major effect on those massing around the first explosion if this theory were true. They would have have to be running away from the first, not massing around where it went off, and most would have to be running in the direction of the second one.
 
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Oberon said:
I haven't read the last 50 or so pages of the thread, so maybe this has already been discussed, but assuming the bombers wanted maximum effect at the end of the race, and ended up with the timers set so they went off about an hour afterwards, if that might be because their watches were set to a different time zone and they didn't allow for this, which would mean they weren't resident on the east coast and based further west than the eastern time zone. Doesn't narrow anything down much, but just a passing thought.
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Interesting point. View was advanced today by a talking head that timing was right to catch many charity runners and their families/friends.:cool:
 
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Jack Hays said:
Interesting point. View was advanced today by a talking head that timing was right to catch many charity runners and their families/friends.:cool:
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I don't do marathons, but I assumed they were all charity runners; so they were targeting specific charity groups, maybe? were there staggered start times for groups? This would make more sense of the positions for the second bomb and others, maybe.
 
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Oberon said:
I don't do marathons, but I assumed they were all charity runners; so they were targeting specific charity groups, maybe? were there staggered start times for groups?
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Many run a marathon simply for personal satisfaction, and yes, there were staggered starts...
 
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I have had a couple beam and diets but I have been thinking about something. I used to run half marathons, I was slow but I could tell you within ten minutes when I would probably finish. I wonder if someone was running a certain pace, someone knew it, and this was a plot to take them out? Or maybe a group running. That would explain the 100yrds apart, 2 chances at the same person? Could have even been detonated when the runner passed a certain point. adn the other IED distractors. There are a lot of people all over that world that run the Boston.
Oberon said:
I don't do marathons, but I assumed they were all charity runners; so they were targeting specific charity groups, maybe? were there staggered start times for groups?
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Oberon said:
I don't do marathons, but I assumed they were all charity runners; so they were targeting specific charity groups, maybe? were there staggered start times for groups? This would make more sense of the positions for the second bomb and others, maybe.
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The leaders are professionals.:cool:
 
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The leaders were quite a ways ahead. These would still be good runners but not elite. A 78 year old was the guy knocked down by the blast, not professional.
Jack Hays said:
The leaders are professionals.:cool:
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mak2 said:
The leaders were quite a ways ahead. These would still be good runners but not elite. A 78 year old was the guy knocked down by the blast, not professional.
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We are in violent agreement. My point was that the professionals were long gone by the time the bomb went off. :cool:
 
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Oberon said:
Well, I'm dense and need it spelled out for me why the second bomb was too far away from the first for to have any major effect on those massing around the first explosion if this theory were true. They would have have to be running away from the first, not massing around where it went off, and most would have to be running in the direction of the second one.
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Because people would have been massing AWAY from bomb number one and towards bomb number two. Did you see the film clip that showed both bombs going off? If you did, you saw that there were alot more--twice as many--people around the second bomb, than the first.
 
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mak2 said:
I have had a couple beam and diets but I have been thinking about something. I used to run half marathons, I was slow but I could tell you within ten minutes when I would probably finish. I wonder if someone was running a certain pace, someone knew it, and this was a plot to take them out? Or maybe a group running. That would explain the 100yrds apart, 2 chances at the same person? Could have even been detonated when the runner passed a certain point. adn the other IED distractors. There are a lot of people all over that world that run the Boston.
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Be serious.
 
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Why, I been drinking. But it is possible the target was a specific person.
ecofarm said:
Be serious.
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mak2 said:
Why, I been drinking. But it is possible the target was a specific person.
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I have considered the possibility it was a murder attempt disguised as a terrorist attack, but right now, my gut makes me think this was the work of a college student in a high pressure field snapping with exams and/or the realization they are about to get kicked out. I doubt anybody but a college age student could have pulled off carrying a backpack or what looked like a laundry bag into a patrolled area without raising eyebrows.
 
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BretJ said:
Contrary to popular belief, the government is not all seeing, all protecting. They can only catch the ones they know about and provide some deterrence to those they don't. You plug one hole, they will make another. That is the cost of a free society.
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Obviously the government cannot be everywhere in a free society, otherwise, it couldn't and wouldn't be a free society. However, there was a security apparatus present at the Boston Marathon. There is no telling how far or deep that surveillance and effort went. The men and women being paid to perform the duties of security for the event, defined solely upon their function, failed yesterday to perform their functions to their definition. It is what it is. I don't see why people need to deny it. In fact, denying failure is dangerous. How do you learn from something if you deny it in the first place?
 
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mak2 said:
Why, I been drinking. But it is possible the target was a specific person.
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And instead of shooting, poisoning, car-crashing or just plain bludgeoning that person... bomb the Boston marathon and blame it on AlQ?

That's too much, you better cut back on TV consumption.
 
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