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Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162, 896, 911]]

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That WAS political. To be fair, many US citizens arent "american", in that they dont support the founding ideals of liberty and justice. Those people are in both parties and in both ideologies, and are both live in blissful ignorance and peace, and perhaps in this case, harbor violent tendencies and think violence is the only way to control people or free themselves.

Since we both consider ourselves libertarian, I think you would agree with me that, if this is a domestic terrorist, then our march towards bigger govt isnt helping to stop those who think violence against innocents is a solution.

The "No True American" fallacy in action.
 
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I had on TV covering the Boston bombings with the sound off as I watched Red Dragon another Hannibal Lecter flick. So one set has the horror of real life slaughter and the other has studio horror. ThenI took a look at the programs that were on last night and became aware that a huge number of programs including movies are full of murders and the other ugly things people do to one another. So I conclude we intentionally surround ourselves with sick crap like the Red Dragon flick is ful of. One huge issue has to be addressed, why is it liberalism in America screams out for banning guns while making billions trying to make people scream/ The cast of characters participating in horror films lke The Exorcist and Red Dragon rank among the most voal and radical of all liberals. Is this not a monstorous hipocacy?

Speak for yourself. I've never found any of that crap entertaining and I'm considered a "liberal" by some.
 
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They certainly know what they were doing. There were bomb dogs right there shortly before the blast, and they detected nothing.

Perhaps the smell of garbage in with the bombs masked the odor for the dogs? Could it be that simple?
 
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Uh...ok. I don't recall pointing a finger at anyone, or group in particular. Did I?

No you didn't.

I was saying in general to everyone. Not that it's stopping people...
 
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No he didn't.

He kinda did. He used an initial bomb to kill a few people which also acted as a diversion so he could maximise killings with an a concurrent second attack.

It only required one guy.
 
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Seems like just the other day that obama was running for a second term with the "Alquiada has been decimated" claim.

There's no evidence yet that this is connected to AQ. In fact, there are a few things that seem to point away from AQ (type of bomb, not a suicide attack).

It may turn out to be AQ, but that's not been determined yet.
 
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Since we both consider ourselves libertarian, I think you would agree with me that, if this is a domestic terrorist, then our march towards bigger govt isnt helping to stop those who think violence against innocents is a solution.

Wouldn't that just be giving them what they want?
 
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Seem to be issues at Logan and LaGuardia airports right now......
 
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Obama has ordered all of the Fed to lower their Flags to Half Mast.....including all military installations. Is this the Proper thing to do and what else is he trying to say?
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Obama Orders Flags To Half-Staff.....

President Obama has ordered flags at the White House and all federal buildings be flown at half-staff in honor of the victims of the Boston bombing.

The president issued a proclamation this morning that all flags be lowered until sunset on April 20 "as a mark of respect for the victims of the senseless acts of violence perpetrated on April 15, 2013, in Boston, Massachusetts."

Flags flying above U.S. embassies and military bases abroad will also fly at half-staff during this duration.....snip~

Obama Orders Flags To Half-Staff
ABC OTUS News – 13 mins ago April 16 2013 <<<<<
 
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He kinda did. He used an initial bomb to kill a few people which also acted as a diversion so he could maximise killings with an a concurrent second attack.

It only required one guy.

What about the other 5 bombs they located and disarmed?
 
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If you have any other proof other than there were security there then i would welcome it as valid. But just because there was security there does not make this attack suspicious.

Agreed. In fact that points to some planning here, or at least the ability to alter the plan on the moment. Despite the now routine security we do to protect large gatherings they (whomever) successfully deployed two of the four (?) devices.
 
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Obama has order all of the Fed to lower their Flags to Half Mast.....including all military installations. Is this the Proper thing to do and what else is he trying to say?
flaghalf2.gif



Obama Orders Flags To Half-Staff.....

President Obama has ordered flags at the White House and all federal buildings be flown at half-staff in honor of the victims of the Boston bombing.

The president issued a proclamation this morning that all flags be lowered until sunset on April 20 "as a mark of respect for the victims of the senseless acts of violence perpetrated on April 15, 2013, in Boston, Massachusetts."

Flags flying above U.S. embassies and military bases abroad will also fly at half-staff during this duration.....snip~

Obama Orders Flags To Half-Staff
ABC OTUS News – 13 mins ago April 16 2013 <<<<<

It certainly seems like the right thing to do. I don't think he's sending any message other than the nation's in mourning for the lives lost and horrendous injuries that resulted from this terrorist act.
 
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It certainly seems like the right thing to do. I don't think he's sending any message other than the nation's in mourning for the lives lost and horrendous injuries that resulted from this terrorist act.

Yeah I know.....but it is til April 20th, which is more than just a day of Mourning. Like we had with Benghazi.
 
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Yeah I know.....but it is til April 20th, which is more than just a day of Mourning. Like we had with Benghazi.

*shrug* -- I can definitely see a difference between Benghazi and what happened in Boston -- if just for the 8-year-old boy, his mom and sister. Sad, sad day.
 
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*shrug* -- I can definitely see a difference between Benghazi and what happened in Boston -- if just for the 8-year-old boy, his mom and sister. Sad, sad day.

I can understand.....although I am ex military and was raised with a bit of different concept with the Flag. While it is regrettable as to what took place here. Myself, I cannot dismiss the 2 Navy Seals that took on 2 waves of attacks and over a hundred attackers killing 60 of them before they to died. In which a Flag for the US Ambassador and those that died. Was raised for a day. Also by doing this would those around the World then see this as another Terror attack upon US Soil? Regardless of our own perception here in the US.
 
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I can understand.....although I am ex military and was raised with a bit of different concept with the Flag. While it is regrettable as to what took place here. Myself, I cannot dismiss the 2 Navy Seals that took on 2 waves of attacks and over a hundred attackers killing 60 of them before they to died. In which a Flag for the US Ambassador and those that died. Was raised for a day. Also by doing this would those around the World then see this as another Terror attack upon US Soil? Regardless of our own perception here in the US.

I can see your point re Benghazi when you remind me of exactly what went down there. It should have been at half-mast longer in hindsight. Perhaps there are protocols? Whatever the reason, lowering it as they've done for Boston seems appropriate to me.

As to it looking like a terrorist attack to the rest of the world: it was.

Protocols for Half Mast

http://www1.va.gov/opa/publications/celebrate/halfstaff.pdf
 
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Perhaps the smell of garbage in with the bombs masked the odor for the dogs? Could it be that simple?

No, that's not it. Dogs can distinguish odors even when they are just one of many smells present.
 
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CNN is reporting that sources tell them that one of the bombs was hidden inside of a metal pressure cooker concealed in a backpack.
 
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No, that's not it. Dogs can distinguish odors even when they are just one of many smells present.

I would question that......as I know Guards that handle dogs for Prisons. Which they say the inmates lay down black and red peppers on the floor. Even chili powder. Course which throws the dog off sent and causes it to sneeze. Which really doesn't then stop a fully detailed search. Just that the guards remove that dog after encountering such. Although I don't know if it would be the same for explosives. Other than the sneezing part should they cross such ingredients.
 
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I would question that......as I know Guards that handle dogs for Prisons. Which they say the inmates lay down black and red peppers on the floor. Even chili powder. Course which throws the dog off sent and causes it to sneeze. Which really doesn't then stop a fully detailed search. Just that the guards remove that dog after encountering such. Although I don't know if it would be the same for explosives. Other than the sneezing part should they cross such ingredients.

Hot pepper doesn't work because it confuses the dogs sense of smell; it works because it hurts the dogs nose.

I assume that when (and if) a dog encounters pepper, it signals that to its' handler, and another dog is brought in, as you suggested. And it's probably a huge "tell" that something is being hidden nearby
 
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CNN is reporting that sources tell them that one of the bombs was hidden inside of a metal pressure cooker concealed in a backpack.

Those are the style used in Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
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Hot pepper doesn't work because it confuses the dogs sense of smell; it works because it hurts the dogs nose.

I assume that when (and if) a dog encounters pepper, it signals that to its' handler, and another dog is brought in, as you suggested. And it's probably a huge "tell" that something is being hidden nearby

Unless you buff the entire floor with it, not hard to do and dogs avoid the area like the plague. They don't sneeze, they just won't go near it.
 
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Unless you buff the entire floor with it, not hard to do and dogs avoid the area like the plague. They don't sneeze, they just won't go near it.

I don't know the details of these dogs training, but if a dog is commanded to search an area, and refuses to do so, I would assume that would raise a few eyebrows and result in a search of that area. I doubt that the handlers just say "Oh well" and move on to another area.
 
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