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Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162, 896, 911]]

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Just finished on Skype with my inlaws and my wifes brother thankfully they are all safe but of course a little shaken up. Thoughts with the families who are not as lucky tonight. Keep your head up Boston.
 
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I know it's not the issue today and I'm not trying to be crass, just curious, but did anyone notice if the markets crashed before or after the bombs went off?

Good afternoon, CJ. :2wave:

All the major markets were dropping all day,. even oil which closed below $89 a barrel. The biggest surprise was gold losing almost $144 per ounce since yesterday! :shock:
 
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Maybe this was the work of a new group, one not on any watch list?

Could be. I'm really concerned this is something home grown considering the day (Patriot's Day).
 
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Just finished on Skype with my inlaws and my wifes brother thankfully they are all safe but of course a little shaken up. Thoughts with the families who are not as lucky tonight. Keep your head up Boston.

I'm so glad to hear this. The best to you and yours, stay safe.
 
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Maybe this was the work of a new group, one not on any watch list?
Who knows really? It doesn't seem like anti-government groups, even though they hit civilians they usually do so directed at only government buildings. This seems like middle eastern terrorism but there hasn't been a claim yet and I wouldn't want to just up and blame people, but on the other hand it got through meaning the channels that normally trace these things never picked up the scent so it could be someone or a group that never registered suspician up till now. There just isn't enough info yet.
 
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Canine bomb detectors do not work continuously. After a short while, their nose tires out, so it is possible the bombs were brought in after the dogs had been used

Very true. These dogs are usually adopted by the people in the agency they served to live out the rest of their lives as a pet.
 
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Good afternoon, CJ. :2wave:

All the major markets were dropping all day,. even oil which closed below $89 a barrel. The biggest surprise was gold losing almost $144 per ounce since yesterday! :shock:

Good afternoon Lady P - glad to see you're ok and joining the discussion.
 
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Not true

Google "Centennial Park bombing"

Absolutely true.. Eric Rudolph stated his motives for that attack was:

Eric Rudolph said:
In the summer of 1996, the world converged upon Atlanta for the Olympic Games. Under the protection and auspices of the regime in Washington millions of people came to celebrate the ideals of global socialism. Multinational corporations spent billions of dollars, and Washington organized an army of security to protect these best of all games. Even though the conception and the purpose of the so-called Olympic movement is the promote the values of global socialism as perfectly expressed in the song "Imagine" by John Lennon, which was the theme of the 1996 Games — even though the purpose of the Olympics is to promote these despicable ideals, the purpose of the attack on July 27th was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. The plan was to force the cancellation of the Games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the streets around the venues and thereby eat into the vast amounts of money invested.
The plan was to force the cancellation of the Games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the streets around the venues and there by eat into the vast amounts of money invested. The plan was conceived in haste and carried out with limited resources, planning and preparation — it was a monster that kept getting out of control the more I got into it. Because I could not acquire the necessary high explosives, I had to dismiss the unrealistic notion of knocking down the power grid surrounding Atlanta and consequently pulling the plug on the Olympics for their duration.
The plan that I finally settled upon was to use five low-tech timed explosives to be placed one at a time on successive days throughout the Olympic schedule, each preceded by a forty to fifty minute warning given to 911. The location and time of detonation was to be given, and the intent was to thereby clear each of the areas, leaving only uniformed arms-carrying government personnel exposed to potential injury.
The attacks were to have commenced with the start of the Olympics, but due to a lack of planning this was postponed a week. I had sincerely hoped to achieve these objectives without harming innocent civilians. However, I knew that the weapons used (highly uncontrollable timed explosives) and the choice of tactics (placing them in areas frequented by large numbers of civilians) could potentially lead to a disaster wherein many civilians could be killed or wounded. There is no excuse for this, and I accept full responsibility for the consequences of using this dangerous tactic.
The first and largest device was placed in Centennial Park. There was a 55 minute delay on the device. After placing the device it took approximately 10 minutes to walk to the telephone booth where a call was placed immediately. The 911 operator answered the call, and after acknowledging that she could understand my voice (I was using a little plastic contraption to disguise my voice), I proceeded to deliver my message and much to my chagrin the operator terminated the call.
I had to assume that the call had been traced and that in less than a few minutes a responder would be headed to that particular booth. So I walked approximately one block and frantically sought out a booth to make another call. I was not paying attention to the time as the minutes ticked off. Thinking perhaps the operator was put off by the sound of my distorted voice coming through the plastic device, I ditched the contraption and sought out a booth by the Days Inn, where I then tried to deliver a clear message while holding my nose. The crowd was pushing in and after the first couple sentences, I was eyeballed closely by at least two individuals. This caused me to leave off the last sentence which indicated the exact location of the device. The result of all this was to produce a disaster — a disaster of my making and for which I do apologize to the victims and their families.
This second call that was made is the only one that has been made public. Unfortunately, Washington's government has not released all of the recordings of the 911 calls made within the hours before the blast. If they had, the public would discover that a call was made from the immediate area approximately 40 to 45 minutes before the blast. The call began with the words, "Do you understand me?" After an acknowledgment by the operator the message: "We defy your ..." and at this point the call was terminated.
After the blast and the consequent chaos, I decided to discontinue the operation. I hurried back to the vacant lot I had used as a staging area which was east of Atlanta on I-20. Off to the right side of the interstate is what appeared to be a huge vacant lot with woods and bulldozing excavations, perhaps the place where a mall would be erected. Amid the piles of illegal garbage dumpings, I primed and detonated the other four devices and left Atlanta with much remorse.
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His full confession.
 
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I thought the joggers had already crossed the finish line by the time the bombs went off? If the culprit was targeting the marathon would he be targeting the joggers?

Can't target joggers who protected by people watching.
 
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Or it could be some madman with knowledge in explosive making.

Sky news (the British Fox) says it's a basic explosive that was used, a specialist would have been worse!
 
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I know what day it is in Boston.. and that means nothing yet. If a right winger did it.. you would see a Patriot related target.. like the IRS. This smells more of other motive.

So? Centennial Olympic Park Bombing happened on July 27th.


Which show that "Patriot related bombings" do not always target govt buildings or occur on significant dates
 
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But it is random. When domestics groups bomb they look for specific targets as I mentioned before. Putting a bomb in a couple of trash cans.. it's designed to randomly hit people, Not specific people. So there is no 100% chance of hitting your "target" or getting "bang" for your buck. It also sets the difference between pro and amateur.

Not all "random" crime is what it appears to be. Remember the DC sniper? He was using random victims to mask the planned execution of his ex-wife.

Investigators and the prosecution suggested during pre-trial motions that Muhammad intended to kill his ex-wife Mildred, who had estranged him from his children. According to this theory, the other shootings were intended to cover up the motive for the crime, since Muhammad believed that the police would not focus on an estranged ex-husband as a suspect if she looked like a random victim of a serial killer. Muhammad frequented the neighborhood where she lived during the attacks, and some of the incidents occurred nearby. Additionally, he had earlier made threats against her. Mildred herself made the claim that she was his intended target. However, Judge LeRoy Millette, Jr. prevented prosecutors from presenting that theory during the trial, saying that a link had not been firmly established.

Beltway sniper attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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What government was targetted today? I missed that angle. What I saw was innocent civilians being targetted, that reeks of cowardly terrorists.

And what were the people killed in Oklahoma City? Hardcore Federal employees out to 'get' the right wing extremists?

But it's good to know you don't think Timothy McVeigh was a cowardly terrorist.
 
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Good afternoon Lady P - glad to see you're ok and joining the discussion.

I had a lot on my plate to do today, and was handling what I could, when I heard the awful news from Boston. I've been glued here at my laptop ever since! :shock:
 
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Who knows really? It doesn't seem like anti-government groups, even though they hit civilians they usually do so directed at only government buildings.

Nonsense.

There have been plenty of attacks by anti-govt. groups that were not directed at govt. buildings
 
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Nonsense.

There have been plenty of attacks by anti-govt. groups that were not directed at govt. buildings

Indeed, just take a look at the SDS.
 
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Anarchists have been known to use bombs.

Pretty much nearly every group has been known to use bombs. Ourselves included; we just drop ours out of a plane.
 
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Your response does not address the point of my post.

Actually it does.. it was a specifically chosen target which had a direct connection to the person's believes.
 
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Which show that "Patriot related bombings" do not always target govt buildings or occur on significant dates

In other words it is or it isn't "Patriot's Day" related in the same way as it is or isn't marathon related, and is or isn't Boston related.

In other words, we still don't know a damn thing.
 
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Joggers are moving targets - innocent people lining the streets are sitting ducks - terrorists love sitting ducks.

President Bush said it best in his speech after 9-ll when he called them "faceless cowards." Great description! :thumbs:
 
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And what were the people killed in Oklahoma City? Hardcore Federal employees out to 'get' the right wing extremists?

But it's good to know you don't think Timothy McVeigh was a cowardly terrorist.

Federal buildings are legitimate targets though for acts of violence aimed at government.
 
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I lived in Boston for 25 years. Most of my friends are there....

April 15. The Tax Day, of course. But that kind of terrorists would not target a crowd of civilians.

April 15 is also the birthday of Kim Il-sung, the god-founder of North Korea.
 
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I just want to throw this out there, for the record in case I end up being right. Let me preface this by saying, I'm absolutely going on on my own personal gut feeling.

When I saw this happen, my memory instantly flashed back to the story about the guy who got into a shoot out with a Texas cops back in March. I remember reading the part of the story that he had bomb making materials in his trunk. My thought at the time, was 'oh crap, what was that intended for, and who else was involved?' Obviously, it's entirely possible that its a sick coincidence, but my gut is screaming at me, that the two are connected. Obviously, we will see as events unfold, but I wanted to put it out there. I definitely have no experience or qualifications to make assumptions, I'm just throwing it my first instinct.

Did anyone else experience this twinge, or was it just me?
 
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Federal buildings are legitimate targets though for acts of violence aimed at government.

During war, yes. During peace, not so much.
 
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