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    Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Pretty hard to bomb the IRS building. Indeed, all but impossible. The marathon, however . . .
    LOL.. it sits on main street in downtown Boston.. it's just like the Murrow building, bud. To say it's impossible doesn't understand the laws of probabilities.
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    Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, McVeigh didn't use just any fertilizer. yes? Thank you!

    He used AN.
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    Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Whoever made the bombs knew something. Look at the horrific results.
    They certainly know what they were doing. There were bomb dogs right there shortly before the blast, and they detected nothing. I'm inclined to believe that's the result of proper planning and counter-detection measures than untrained dogs.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "poor"? No. Not as well planned as it could have been. Yeah, sure.

    IED bombers in Iraq would call this a success. They NEVER scored 130+ hits with one attack.
    Even the worst hit any of our convoys took in Afghan only took 8 casualties.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Certainly not something thrown together some morning. Yet just because it wasn't last minute does not mean that it was well thought out.
    I'm inclined to believe this was a structured assault not only because of the time and place, but that the bombs were deployed under elevated security.
    Quote Originally Posted by BretJ View Post
    Not enough law enforcement exists to stop someone from making a bomb....it would be easier to censor the internet. Everything you need to know is online and freely available. One of our courses used to involve being given a shopping list, purchasing the materials and making the bang. It is very simple and impossible to contain.
    Oh god please don't give the "we need to do something" bandwagon any ideas about revisiting net neutrality.

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    Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Not sure what to think yet...............Can't imagine Boston being on anyone's hitlist......................
    Anywhere and everywhere there is lots of news coverage is on someones hit list....Cause a lot of death and mayhem, make the news, make a statement.
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    Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon

    I am fairly sure that inside the next day, or at most, week, we'll hear someone suggesting some new law or rule as a result of this.
    Education.

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    Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon [W:162]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It wasn't shrapnel, if they used ball bearings. However, if a metal case was used to house the explosive, there was shrapnel in the blast radius.
    Not that it matters, but the original meaning, shrapnel was ball bearings. Look up Lt. Shrapnel. Fragmentation from the container is also called fragmentation but everyone calls it shrapnel now anyway.
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    Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    He used AN.
    He used two different AN mixtures as well as raw AN.
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    Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I believe you, but frankly I don't even know what Patriot's day is, and I suspect 90% of Americans don't either. If Patriot's Day is the key, again, it looks domestic. I can't believe al Qaedatypes would find Patriots Day a big symbolic event.
    No but it is a highly publicized, soft target event which would become symbolic after the attack. Jihadi and home growns would both find it a target of opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joechilli View Post
    It will be interesting to see the times the dogs were deployed, the bombs could have been placed after their drill.
    I have no idea of a bomb sniffer dogs effectiveness or whether they searched along the route where the bombs were placed.

    I've also heard that more undetonated bombs were found? but at the moment news reports appear to contradict eachother concrete facts appear not to have been established.

    Forensic analysis of the bombs will likely give answers should this be accurate information.

    Did someone mention gunpowder on this thread earlier?
    I dunno, but when I think of bomb-dogs, cadaver-dogs or drug-dogs, I tend to think that if certain substances are within a certain vicinity of their smelling ability, that they'll react in the manner they either know or have been trained to do. And dogs can smell things at incredible distances. Particularly if they've been trained to do so, and know what they're smelling for. When the dogs are out there with their handlers, they know they're working. I don't know the technical footage of their sniffers though, but it is impressive, to say the very least when you compare it to our standard of smelling.

    Having said that, and having read the eyewitness report that there were bomb-dogs at both the start and finish, I am naturally curious about how this particular event unfolded in the first place. Because I imagine that a bomb-dog lead police to the bomb that they personally detonated. So why weren't the dogs alerted to the two bombs that went off? Were they out of range? Had the area not been swept in a while?

    The "Press Conference" tonight was terse with information. It is not hard to tell the American public exactly what WE were doing at the time of the event, or had done or had NOT done prior to the event. They don't need a few days, weeks, months or years to come up with a story. This, "I cannot confirm or deny these allegations," type answers out of people with authority after events like this need to stop. WE SHOULD WANT TRANSPARENCY! Right? Seriously, man. Every time something like this happens, important questions are immediately blocked by some catch-all authoritative jargon, and we have to accept it. This is America. And I presume everyone that is reading this is an adult, but we should be treated like loyal American adults and given answers when asked, not unpatriotic foreign children that are denied everything they ask. When you're told, at age 21, 25, 30, 35, 40, 50, 60 and on up that you can't know something by someone in authority, how does that make you feel? Am I the only one less than happy about it?

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    Re: Explosions reported near finish line at Boston Marathon

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I am fairly sure that inside the next day, or at most, week, we'll hear someone suggesting some new law or rule as a result of this.
    I suspect they will add gunpowder to their ban wish list.

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