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    Re: Schumer Says Background Checks Depend On Republican Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I don't understand how background checks are a constitutional violation, if voter ID, a form of check before exercising a right, is allowable why not a background check for guns?
    remind me where congress gets the power

    you seem to think that if something is not prohibited by an amendment, the government has the power

    it doesn't



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    Re: Schumer Says Background Checks Depend On Republican Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It would make open carry, in your private vehicle, illegal. That falls under the, "bear arms", part of our civil rights.

    IOW, it would be illegal to keep a pistol in my console, or carry a rifle in a gun rack.
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    Part of my family lives in the Friendswood area, and I never saw so many trucks with gun racks above the rear window! And everyone seems to feel if you are going less than 80 MPH, you're impeding everyone else's progress! Gotta Love Texas!

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    Re: Schumer Says Background Checks Depend On Republican Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good evening, apdst.

    Part of my family lives in the Friendswood area, and I never saw so many trucks with gun racks above the rear window! And everyone seems to feel if you are going less than 80 MPH, you're impeding everyone else's progress! Gotta Love Texas!
    Nothing like living on the frontier...lol!
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    Re: Schumer Says Background Checks Depend On Republican Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I don't understand how background checks are a constitutional violation, if voter ID, a form of check before exercising a right, is allowable why not a background check for guns?
    The Constitution says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Anything which government does to make it in any way more difficult, expensive, time consuming, or otherwise burdensome for any free citizen to acquire a firearm is clearly an infringement of this right. And of course, the only purpose of a background check is to aid government in illegally denying this right to some free citizens (with the obvious ultimate purpose and intent of this power being used to deny this right to all or most citizens). There is no legitimate purpose to be served by these background checks, and only illegitimate purposes.


    Voting is a bit different. When someone casts a vote fraudulently, in an election where he is not eligible to vote, he corrupts the electoral process, dilutes the legitimate vote, and thus violates the voting rights of everyone who did legitimately vote in that election. In order to protect the rights of legitimate voters, it is necessary to protect the electoral process against voter fraud. Unfortunately, this means that a small burden must be imposed on legitimate voters in the form of identification to establish that they are eligible to vote, and that they are not voting multiple time or otherwise committing voter fraud. I'd prefer that no such burden was necessary, but the burden of requiring voters to identify themselves and prove their eligibility is less of a violation of their voting rights than it would be to allow their legitimate votes to be diluted by voter fraud.
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    Re: Schumer Says Background Checks Depend On Republican Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    The Constitution says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Anything which government does to make it in any way more difficult, expensive, time consuming, or otherwise burdensome for any free citizen to acquire a firearm is clearly an infringement of this right. And of course, the only purpose of a background check is to aid government in illegally denying this right to some free citizens (with the obvious ultimate purpose and intent of this power being used to deny this right to all or most citizens). There is no legitimate purpose to be served by these background checks, and only illegitimate purposes.


    Voting is a bit different. When someone casts a vote fraudulently, in an election where he is not eligible to vote, he corrupts the electoral process, dilutes the legitimate vote, and thus violates the voting rights of everyone who did legitimately vote in that election. In order to protect the rights of legitimate voters, it is necessary to protect the electoral process against voter fraud. Unfortunately, this means that a small burden must be imposed on legitimate voters in the form of identification to establish that they are eligible to vote, and that they are not voting multiple time or otherwise committing voter fraud. I'd prefer that no such burden was necessary, but the burden of requiring voters to identify themselves and prove their eligibility is less of a violation of their voting rights than it would be to allow their legitimate votes to be diluted by voter fraud.
    Could you not argue that like a fraudulent vote corrupting the electoral process and thus devaluing everyone else's right to vote that if the government were to allow free and open and sale of firearms without checking for things like criminal history or mental instability it would devalue everyone else's right to life? I mean if your argument depends on the affect it has on other people's rights, I think you'd have a tough time arguing that guns don't affect other people's rights.

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    Re: Schumer Says Background Checks Depend On Republican Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    remind me where congress gets the power

    you seem to think that if something is not prohibited by an amendment, the government has the power

    it doesn't
    Not really relevant anyway, because this is something that is clearly prohibited by an Amendment. “…shall not be infringed” does not mean “…may be infringed a little bit, if enough people think it's good idea.”
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    Re: Schumer Says Background Checks Depend On Republican Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Could you not argue that like a fraudulent vote corrupting the electoral process and thus devaluing everyone else's right to vote that if the government were to allow free and open and sale of firearms without checking for things like criminal history or mental instability it would devalue everyone else's right to life? I mean if your argument depends on the affect it has on other people's rights, I think you'd have a tough time arguing that guns don't affect other people's rights.
    There is not any circumstance under which one person, by buying, selling, trading, manufacturing, carrying, owning a firearm, violates another person's rights. Nobody's rights are violated until someone abuses a firearm in a manner which unjustly harms or endangers someone else; which is legitimately illegal and not protected by any rational reading of the Second Amendment or any other part of the Constitution. Nobody's rights are affected in any way merely by someone else's possession of a firearm.

    Therefore, there is no basis at all on which to compare restriction on firearm ownership and exchange to restrictions that are necessary to protect the rights of legitimate voters against voter fraud,.
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    Re: Schumer Says Background Checks Depend On Republican Votes

    it appears that ALL gun control in harry reid's senate is dead

    a huge defeat for the white house which has spent as much political capital as it can on this chase, flying the families around, giving em professional handlers, turning them almost into full blooded tv commercials

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/us...ewanted=1&_r=0

    fyi

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    Re: Schumer Says Background Checks Depend On Republican Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I wonder if Schumer will fall on his sword? Figuratively speaking, of course.
    I'd prefer literally myself!!

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    Re: Schumer Says Background Checks Depend On Republican Votes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I don't understand how background checks are a constitutional violation, if voter ID, a form of check before exercising a right, is allowable why not a background check for guns?
    Because background checks don't just confirm identity.

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