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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    I find many of the comments in this thread to be quite disgusting. The fact you are so concerned about your inanimate object you are willing to demonize a mother who lost a child who is trying to help prevent other mothers from losing children, and the President who is giving her a platform to express herself, is appalling to me.

    You can disagree with her and the President on gun control. But to demonize them in such a manner for disagreeing with you is something I'll never understand, and to me, just reeks of illogical fear over losing an inanimate object.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good Morning, MMC.

    Excellent post!

    Every mother that has lost a child understands her grief, myself included. This was a horrible tragedy, indeed, but guns cannot be blamed for this any more than you can blame a car that was driven by a drunk driver who caused a child's death.

    The mentally sick person who did this is at fault here, and we must not forget that! He killed his own mother first! We should mourn for her, also. To attempt to destroy our Constitution and Bill of Rights because of the acts of those who do not obey the law is wrong! Our efforts should instead be concentrated on getting the mentally ill among us the help they need, to ensure that this does not happen again!
    Mornin' Lady Polgara! You are correct.....and Obama also knows it. Considering he had LE's up to the WH so that they could give him their ideas. He was told then it was the Mental Health Issue. Not background checks or bans. Moreover all Le's told him they would like to see guns taken out of the hands of the bad guys criminals. But that background checks and bans would not do that.

    He refuses to Listen to them.....and it is clear now his ego wont allow him to lose on the issue. Which means he is putting himself before the Nation but only for himself, politically. it would appear that is more important than the Constitution and the Rights of the people. Plus as Ttwtt stated it allows him to expand more government and more government control.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I find many of the comments in this thread to be quite disgusting.
    Hmmm. Here's what you would call an "extremist" comment if I said it to you.

    But I guess it's OK for you to do it, as long as you have a pat excuse for putting me on ignore when you can't substantively refute what I say.


    The fact you are so concerned about your inanimate object you are willing to demonize a mother who lost a child who is trying to help prevent other mothers from losing children, and the President who is giving her a platform to express herself, is appalling to me.
    Spare us the crocodile tears. No one is exempt from criticism, and if you can't see the obviousness of the stunt pulled by Obama, that's not on anyone else.

    One does not have to refrain from criticism of a policy -- or obvious political tactic -- just because it's being spouted by a grieving parent.

    To think one DOES is to give in to mob rule, not reasoned discourse.

    You can disagree with her and the President on gun control. But to demonize them in such a manner for disagreeing with you is something I'll never understand, and to me, just reeks of illogical fear over losing an inanimate object.
    "Inanimate object," which you keep saying, is your own heated rhetoric. At least pull your pants up before you start pointing fingers at someone else.
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    Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I find many of the comments in this thread to be quite disgusting. The fact you are so concerned about your inanimate object you are willing to demonize a mother who lost a child who is trying to help prevent other mothers from losing children, and the President who is giving her a platform to express herself, is appalling to me.

    You can disagree with her and the President on gun control. But to demonize them in such a manner for disagreeing with you is something I'll never understand, and to me, just reeks of illogical fear over losing an inanimate object.
    I would never demonize the mother. The politician that would exploit grief for gain...that's another matter. The playbook is familiar though isn't it. This issue. Parading out hikers non am emotional appeal to pass a health care law that no one bothered to read. Trotting out Sandra Fluke and her mythical dying 'friend' that had no access to birth control (except of course ms fluke admitted she DID have access to birth control, even at the Jesuit university she attended).

    Emotional appeals is a pathetic way to lead a government. Luckily for them, there is no shortage of willing participants in the charade. Of course...it helps when the participants are already full on enmeshed with the ideology.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    ah... So the level of tolerance you have for a grieving parent extends only to the extent in which you agree or disagree with their 'cause'. I see. Can't help but wonder where that places you on the spectrum with grieving parents and explosive politicians.
    No, I don't care what the "cause" when you decide to turn your grief into a "cause" you open yourself up to public scrutiny. I thought and think Sheehan is a quack personally, but there is a significant and clear difference between turning your grief into a "cause" to end a BS war and turning your grief into a "cause" to strip me of what is my right.

    My place in other people's view can be where ever they'd like to put me. These things don't bother me. I'm not in politics, my convictions don't rise and fall with opinion polls...

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I find many of the comments in this thread to be quite disgusting. The fact you are so concerned about your inanimate object you are willing to demonize a mother who lost a child who is trying to help prevent other mothers from losing children, and the President who is giving her a platform to express herself, is appalling to me.

    You can disagree with her and the President on gun control. But to demonize them in such a manner for disagreeing with you is something I'll never understand, and to me, just reeks of illogical fear over losing an inanimate object.
    All private property is comprised of inamimate objects, and yes the citizens should have a say concerning that issue. Can you explain how the NICS BG check system (current or with the proposed changes) would have had any impact on the Sandy Hook mass shooting? Is it sad that we have crime victims? Yes. Is expanding the federal control of "legal" gun sales going to decrease crime? No.

    Of over 72,000 "illegal" attempts (1.2% of the total) to buy guns, in 2010, exactly 13 were prosecuted for that crime. The bill contains ZERO funding for any increased enforcement of those that lie, and thus fail the NICS BG check, yet will assess fees for 98.8% of all legal gun sales (those that pass the NICS BG check). The Sandy Hook shooting involved no "shady" gun sales, straw buyers or any other situation addressed in the proposed "universal BG check" legislation.
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    The current occupier of the White House excels at MMD's (Methods of Mass Distraction) The entire gun control conversation is a Method of Mass Distraction. The "gun show loophole" is a fallacy. Background checks themselves are simply a means of "control". Go to a gun show, buy a firearm, (You will undergo a background check because non FFL holders selling firearms at gun shows are RARE), now turn around to the next booth and buy another firearm. Guess what, you undergo another background check. This makes "sense" to WHOM?? I can hear the low information voters now, but what about criminals and the mentally ill. Uhm, lemme break it down for you, "criminals" aren't buying guns at gun shows. As for the mentally ill, let's pose a REAL question, what's more dangerous, a car or a gun? Do we require a "background check" to get a driver's license? Do we limit the mentally ill from driving?

    As a society, we have enjoyed our freedom and liberty for so long without truly UNDERSTANDING same, that we allow it to be removed without even thinking. The convoluted "logic" proffered in most issues should make freedom loving humans afraid!

    The challenge regarding Sandy Hook will NEVER be solved with "gun control". The REAL challenge is, as a society we have no "respect for life". Think I'm wrong? Here's a test. How many humans died that day in Sandy Hook, CT?

    Some of you said 20.

    A few of the MORE awake and informed said 26.

    I hope there are a few who are still using their intelligence and respect for human life who said 27.

    The retentive ones, but those who comprehend the real challenge we face, said 28.

    The equivalent of Sandy Hook happens 46 times EVERY day as per figures released by planned parenthood for 2010. Currently there is an abortionist on trial for killing babies and mother's in his office. Were you even aware?

    The criminal shooter at Sandy Hook, choose the school SPECIFICALLY because he knew he would face no resistance. He was playing out a "video/computer" game hallucination of gaining as many "points" as possible by killing people. He ended up killing himself because, if the "cops" shot him he'd lose points.

    Now, seriously, tell me something, what does an "assault weapon" or rounds a magazine can hold, or background checks, or any one of the myriad of EXISTING laws this criminal broke not being enforced, have to do with "preventing gun violence"?

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Why do politicians use emotional appeals to get their agendas passed?

    It works, that's why.

    Why don't politicians use reason and logic to sway public opinion?

    As homer once said (more than once, actually):

    Booorrrrriiiinnnnnggg!
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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Why do politicians use emotional appeals to get their agendas passed?

    It works, that's why.

    Why don't politicians use reason and logic to sway public opinion?

    As homer once said (more than once, actually):

    Booorrrrriiiinnnnnggg!

    Yes but is there anything stopping the American people from letting them hear about? What do you think would happen with Obama if every news media station was reporting on his abuse of children? Do you think Obama then would stop and STFU?

    Wouldn't it make for TV ratings and barrels of Big time money?

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    I find the use of human shields despicable. Obama this is obvious and wrong, anyone who falls for this is a fool.
    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
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    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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