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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Now who's engaging in fear mongering?

    The entire problem with universal checks is what the government does with them after they have them. Checks should be destroyed after they are verified but retained if they are denied.
    In what world do you think we could have government restraint of that level? Because it doesnt exist in modern society.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Now who's engaging in fear mongering?

    The entire problem with universal checks is what the government does with them after they have them. Checks should be destroyed after they are verified but retained if they are denied.
    In what world do you think we could have government restraint of that level? Because it doesnt exist in modern society.

    So what would stop that scenario from happening? Americans are paranoid by nature and I can truly see (especially in Texas) citizens loading up on armory. Keep in mind, many of them are doing it now in fear of a government take over.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Without universal background checks your "restrictions" are meaningless. So I'm afraid that makes you a liar.
    That's a truly false accusation and it should be withdrawn. The man explained exactly what he meant and if you don't understand it then the problem lies with yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That's a truly false accusation and it should be withdrawn. The man explained exactly what he meant and if you don't understand it then the problem lies with yourself.
    How can any restrictions be enforced without those checks? Tell me how and I will withdraw the comment. 40% of guns being sold without any checking at all makes a mockery of the whole system. I think that is the point of keeping it as is. Because it is a joke. A deadly joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    I do not.
    I see. So you're not really interested in good debate, you just wanted to keep repeating empty rhetoric which solves nothing. Aside from the next statement I make which accurately points out how you completely undermine your own argument, there's really nothing left to say since you're not interested in civil discourse.

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Those who commit violent felonies and mentally unstable persons.


    There are very few people who so openly and willingly destroy their own argument quite like gun supporters. Apparently not infringing 2nd Amendment rights only apply to certain Americans, not all of them.

    Just out of curiosity, how are you going to make sure those who are mentally ill aren't able to purchase a gun? And what if they already have a gun, and then they begin treatment for bipolar disorder, what do you do then?

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I see. So you're not really interested in good debate, you just wanted to keep repeating empty rhetoric which solves nothing. Aside from the next statement I make which accurately points out how you completely undermine your own argument, there's really nothing left to say since you're not interested in civil discourse.
    This is phony as hell and out of context. You want to be able to decide what is and isnt talking points, you want to frame the conversation so only the talking points of YOUR side are heard. So no I cant agree to let you set the boundaries for what I can say. Your little outrage about rhetoric and talking points is something you only want to apply to the other guy so I not only refuse your offer you can shove it.

    There are very few people who so openly and willingly destroy their own argument quite like gun supporters. Apparently not infringing 2nd Amendment rights only apply to certain Americans, not all of them.

    Just out of curiosity, how are you going to make sure those who are mentally ill aren't able to purchase a gun? And what if they already have a gun, and then they begin treatment for bipolar disorder, what do you do then?
    You take away their weapons the same way you would remove other rights---through a court judgement that they are a danger to themselves and others. In that way, a doctor can't simply make a snap judgement but his opinion can be entered as evidence to the court. In other words you do it completely legally and aboveboard. If that mechanism were worked on and passed by itself as a special judgement hearing, it would be legal, it would have bipartisan support, and it would pass. It would also keep guns out of the hands of those that liberals say they really want to limit gun rights on in the first place.

    Speaking of empty rhetoric and talking points....see bolded for just how hollow you little tantrum about good debate really is. You're a phony, sir.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    I don't agree with the mother on the issue but I really can't hate on her after what she has lost. Nobody knows her motivations but her and if she truly believes that if doing this somehow avenges her child's death I say let her get what she wants to say out. Now for the people using her and her grief to further their own agenda, that's just wrong.
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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Really? Should we invade ourselves because we've had multiple mass shootings from Americans? There is something to be said for diplomacy when diplomacy is viable. Do you think diplomacy was viable with Iraq? Saudi Arabia isn't a perfect ally, but they are an ally. Iraq was never an ally.
    Except when they fought Iran.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I suspect most of the people who find this "exploitative" "disgusting" etc. probably do so not because of what happened, but rather because of what the issue is. My guess is if this woman was making the address to encourage awareness (and/or additional funding) about breast cancer because her sister died from cancer, most of you would not care. I cannot prove this in anyway, but it's my suspicion.
    How does defending a right relate to curing cancer

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by MACS-24 View Post
    How does defending a right relate to curing cancer
    it doesn't, and talking about cancer does not rape the rights of millions. almost everyone who talks about curing cancer are actually motivated by a desire to cure cancer. most of the gun haters talk about public safety when that plays no role in their true motivations



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