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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yes, I know you live in a world of fear and paranoia, completely disconnected from reality. Could you please tell me what that's like?

    I didn't say they should. Could you please quit wasting everyone's time with comments completely unrelated to what has been said?

    If the current laws are not enforced, why are you so scared of new ones passing?

    Isn't empty rhetoric fun?


    Please go back and read the entire thread of the conversation. What I said is that these new laws would not effect (I do not believe) anyone who currently owns a gun. When you made your statement about ex post facto laws, you were siding with me.
    I really get tired of your idiotic claims that those of us who don't buy into your anti gun nonsense (nonsense that appears to be the spawn of ignorance and a hatred of conservatives) are paranoid. The paranoia I see comes from people who are afraid of their neighbors owning guns

    and I cannot help it if you don't understand that those who abide by the laws don't want silly laws that only we will follow

    I aslo oppose laws that are not constitutional



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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yes, I know you live in a world of fear and paranoia, completely disconnected from reality. Could you please tell me what that's like?
    Asinine, combative, cognitive content= zero

    I didn't say they should. Could you please quit wasting everyone's time with comments completely unrelated to what has been said?
    Registration laws, which you can bet will ensue with costs attached indicates you are lying and obviously so.

    If the current laws are not enforced, why are you so scared of new ones passing?
    Because citizens will get ensnared in legal hassles in attmepting to comply with a maze of gun control laws that dont really control gun violence.

    Isn't empty rhetoric fun?
    About as much as snarky bull****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I really get tired of your idiotic claims that those of us who don't buy into your anti gun nonsense (nonsense that appears to be the spawn of ignorance and a hatred of conservatives) are paranoid. The paranoia I see comes from people who are afraid of their neighbors owning guns


    My idiotic claims? You have been speaking for millions of "anti gun extremists" telling us the only reason we want to ban guns is because A) we are terrified of guns or B) we want to enslave you.

    Your posts very clearly indicate a mentality which does not co-exist with reality. I'm not here to hassle you, I'm not here to advocate government enslaving you and I'm certainly not here because I feel inferior to you. I'm here because I see a real problem and believe in a very logical step to minimize the problem.
    and I cannot help it if you don't understand that those who abide by the laws don't want silly laws that only we will follow
    I've already addressed this multiple times, to explain where your logic has to take a leap in order get from point A to point B.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Update on the gun control debate in Congress:

    Obama-backed Gun Control Bill Unlikely to Pass
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Update on the gun control debate in Congress:

    Obama-backed Gun Control Bill Unlikely to Pass
    Yep......I had put thread up on it. Hopefully......it is going nowhere now. Which then Obama will lose for 3rd time over his gun issue. My only question is.....now what will Obama do. Knowing he has lost and while using his devious tactics and that there is nothing more he can do.

    The Demos are so desperate over it now. They are willing to even push back the date of the vote. All due to not having the votes.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I think taking steps to minimize their chance of being murdered is caring about them. But, that aside, I'm not advocating any system which prevents them from purchasing a gun. I'm merely advocating a reasonable and logical system which encourages safety.
    You are proposing interference in people's ability to acquire, keep, and bear arms. This impacts their ability to effectively defend their life and property. You must realize that you are the aggressor in this scenario, and you should not be shocked at people's reactions to your proposed interference.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post


    My idiotic claims? You have been speaking for millions of "anti gun extremists" telling us the only reason we want to ban guns is because A) we are terrified of guns or B) we want to enslave you.

    Your posts very clearly indicate a mentality which does not co-exist with reality. I'm not here to hassle you, I'm not here to advocate government enslaving you and I'm certainly not here because I feel inferior to you. I'm here because I see a real problem and believe in a very logical step to minimize the problem.
    I've already addressed this multiple times, to explain where your logic has to take a leap in order get from point A to point B.
    opinion noted and rejected based on almost 40 years of dealing with those like you. You cannot give us rational arguments why what you want will solve problems (other than harassing gun owners which is your main goal). we have evidence that demonstrates what you want has not worked in the past.

    what do history teachers preach

    those who do not study the failures in history repeat those failures? but when the failure is based on ulterior motives, telling the proponents that a law failed to enhance public safety has no impact because public safety is not the real goal

    there is far more evidence liberalized carry permits have decreased crime compared to restrictions on honest people. Based on that, if public safety was your true goal you'd be demanding that may issue states adopt SHALL issue laws



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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'm here because I see a real problem and believe in a very logical step to minimize the problem.
    So, please tell us how making it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain a gun for what ever reason, sport, hunting, protection, etc. would solve the "problem", or even is a logical step to begin with.
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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Asinine, combative, cognitive content= zero
    And yet, accurate. Have you even read some of his posts? He lives in fear, he's basically admitted it. He sees "gun grabbers" behind every door and in every corner. It's entirely accurate.

    Registration laws, which you can bet will ensue with costs attached indicates you are lying and obviously so.
    I've already said I would support tax money covering the costs of my ideas of control. So that would make me someone telling the truth, not lying.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1061697800

    Because citizens will get ensnared in legal hassles in attmepting to comply with a maze of gun control laws that dont really control gun violence.


    This doesn't even make sense.

    About as much as snarky bull****.
    I'll make you a deal. You (and others) don't resort to empty worthless rhetoric and I won't post snarky bull****. Deal?
    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    You are proposing interference in people's ability to acquire, keep, and bear arms.
    The 2nd Amendment says nothing about acquiring. You cannot just automatically wish for that to be included in the 2nd Amendment when it's not.

    So yes, I'm advocating a system which in no way infringes upon any rights. My system does make it more difficult for you to purchase (but does not prohibit), but does nothing for those who already own.

    You must realize that you are the aggressor in this scenario, and you should not be shocked at people's reactions to your proposed interference.
    I'm not the aggressor with regards to those who already own a gun. Those people do not change. And we limit what people can purchase all the time. So I guess you could say I'm the aggressor simply because I'm proposing change, but then you'd also have to say the others are being obstinate, for refusing to change.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    opinion noted and rejected based on almost 40 years of dealing with those like you.
    You clearly have no idea what people want. For you to continue to claim you do is beyond absurd and, as I said, reeks of paranoia.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, please tell us how making it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain a gun for what ever reason, sport, hunting, protection, etc. would solve the "problem", or even is a logical step to begin with.
    It wouldn't and I have.

    To fully understand my previous sentence, please go back and read the posts I've made in which I explain it.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    The 2nd Amendment says nothing about acquiring. You cannot just automatically wish for that to be included in the 2nd Amendment when it's not.
    I made no claims regarding the 2nd amendment. I'm simply pointing out that your suggestion interferes with people's ability to acquire, keep, and bear arms. Thus, you are proposing to interfere with people's ability to effectively defend themselves. You should not then be surprised when people regard you as the attacker that you in fact are.

    So yes, I'm advocating a system which in no way infringes upon any rights. My system does make it more difficult for you to purchase (but does not prohibit), but does nothing for those who already own.
    Your proposal places obstacles in the way of acquiring the means of effective self-defense.

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