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    Quote Originally Posted by Federalist View Post
    What about our posterity? Shouldn't we care about them?
    I think taking steps to minimize their chance of being murdered is caring about them. But, that aside, I'm not advocating any system which prevents them from purchasing a gun. I'm merely advocating a reasonable and logical system which encourages safety.
    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    My complaint goes to all infringements. The "limitation" is only for improper (illegal?) expression, not simply expression without a state permit being obtained in advance.
    Again, there is nothing in the Constitution about you have a right to carry a gun hidden in your clothes.

    If I should commit an actual crime with a gun then, by all means, I should be prosecuted, yet to be said to be committing a "crime" by simply not having rented permission, from the state, in advance to exercise a Constitutional right is insane.
    So then you're against requiring identification for voting? You're against permits to exercise the right to congregate in public space? You want to require a rape victim to be prosecuted by the defense attorney for her previous sexual history?

    We place limits on rights all the time, limits which work proactively. To say we cannot do the same for an inanimate object involved in the deaths of thousands of Americans every year seems incredibly illogical to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that would be a complete lie. I will let you figure out why
    Instead of being cryptic, please explain.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    part of the right to keep and bear arms is to sell the arms you have or buy them. understand now?



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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    part of the right to keep and bear arms is to sell the arms you have or buy them. understand now?
    No it's not. Nothing requires you to sell a gun, and if you already own a gun, the restrictions will not be applied retroactively. Understand now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No it's not. Nothing requires you to sell a gun, and if you already own a gun, the restrictions will not be applied retroactively. Understand now?
    you are the one who does not understand. under some variations of this law my heirs would have to pay for a background check

    why should honest people have to pay for something criminals won't comply with and cannot be prosecuted with (assuming its the criminal trying to sell the gun) and which the government refuses to enforce?

    right now its easy to convict someone who lies on the 4473. its an AFFIDAVIT and if they lie its almost strict liability perjury. YET ONLY 277 out of almost 2 million have been prosecuted

    so how are they going to enforce this law

    I don't believe for a minute your support for this law is based on anything other than hassling gun owners



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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are the one who does not understand. under some variations of this law my heirs would have to pay for a background check
    It wouldn't be THEIR gun. What part are you having trouble with?

    I don't believe for a minute your support for this law is based on anything other than hassling gun owners
    Yes, because I hate my father so much I just want him to be hassled. Again, what's it like to live in such fear and paranoia?

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No it's not. Nothing requires you to sell a gun, and if you already own a gun, the restrictions will not be applied retroactively. Understand now?
    Maybe you missed the part about ex post facto laws? Such a law wouldnt be legal if passed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Maybe you missed the part about ex post facto laws? Such a law wouldnt be legal if passed.
    Thank you for agreeing with me? I'm not sure what you felt that contributed to the discussion, but I somehow doubt you meant to side with me.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    It wouldn't be THEIR gun. What part are you having trouble with?

    Yes, because I hate my father so much I just want him to be hassled. Again, what's it like to live in such fear and paranoia?
    I don't really believe anything you say other than you want to harass gun owners.

    no one should have to pay a fee to exercise their constitutional rights other than purchasing the weapon. not to comply with some stupid governmental law that is of dubious constitutional merit and has almost no crime fighting benefit

    why do you want to pass more laws when the current ones are not enforced?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Thank you for agreeing with me? I'm not sure what you felt that contributed to the discussion, but I somehow doubt you meant to side with me.
    Oh, Im sure if you COULD you would pass such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't really believe anything you say other than you want to harass gun owners.
    Yes, I know you live in a world of fear and paranoia, completely disconnected from reality. Could you please tell me what that's like?

    no one should have to pay a fee to exercise their constitutional rights other than purchasing the weapon.
    I didn't say they should. Could you please quit wasting everyone's time with comments completely unrelated to what has been said?

    why do you want to pass more laws when the current ones are not enforced?
    If the current laws are not enforced, why are you so scared of new ones passing?

    Isn't empty rhetoric fun?
    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Oh, Im sure if you COULD you would pass such.
    Please go back and read the entire thread of the conversation. What I said is that these new laws would not effect (I do not believe) anyone who currently owns a gun. When you made your statement about ex post facto laws, you were siding with me.

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