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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I suspect most of the people who find this "exploitative" "disgusting" etc. probably do so not because of what happened, but rather because of what the issue is. My guess is if this woman was making the address to encourage awareness (and/or additional funding) about breast cancer because her sister died from cancer, most of you would not care. I cannot prove this in anyway, but it's my suspicion.
    people who want to stamp out breast cancer truly want to do that

    people who want to restrict guns are generally lying about their true motivations

    its about punishing politically enemies not making us safer



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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    I'm not a gun owner and I have no problem with universal background checks, even an assault weapons ban.

    But I know political exploitation when I see it, and I wouldn't lack the integrity to overlook it on a stance I happen to agree with.

    It's your turn--care to call it like it is?
    why should police defensive weapons be banned?

    have you a clue what an assault weapon is



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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Do you there is a difference as to what is being forced upon all others as opposed to asking help from others?
    How exactly this any different? In this case, the mother is being given exposure to ask people to advance the cause she believes in. In my example, the mother is being given exposure to ask people to advance the cause she believes in. It's the same thing, except you want cancer ended and you don't want gun ownership ended. Which brings me back to how I think it has nothing to do with the fact she's given the chance to speak, but rather the fact people don't like her message.

    Quote Originally Posted by StringBean View Post
    I'm not a gun owner and I have no problem with universal background checks, even an assault weapons ban.

    But I know political exploitation when I see it, and I wouldn't lack the integrity to overlook it on a stance I happen to agree with.

    It's your turn--care to call it like it is?
    I'll call it exactly like it is, this is a case where the President gave the opportunity for a private citizen to advance a cause she feels very strongly about, in an effort to put a human face on legislation the President feels very strongly about, in an effort to convince people to believe as he does. People in this thread act as if this is some new development, as if politicians haven't been doing this for years and years. This is something which has gone on for the longest time.

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Actually not true. I have a gang problem in my city and county. Which is why its relevant. I have already had deal with these thugs several times now, hence why I INSIST on being VERY well armed. Some of the weapons I have California has banned. I had them before the ban. I have high capacity magazines also banned. But I have them anyway. I have special ammunition to deal with MS-13 and others like them because they like to wear bullet resistant vests. Its the prime reason I prefer large caliber heavy hitting higher velocity rounds. The sheriffs out here cant be everywhere and can take up 15 20 minutes to get here, by which time my problem will have resolved one way or another. There's still no patrol and no fed help out here. I am on my own. I am going to be damn if I will allow ANYONE to disarm me, especially in light of current ongoing threats. Your gun ban hasn't done **** to deter any of these gang bang thug punks from obtaining FULLY automatic weapons let alone pistols and semi auto rifles and carbines that LAW abiding citizens are RESTRICTED to. I aint try to solve a problem I am trying to keep my clan safe because quite frankly the local law enforcement seems to have other fish to fry.

    California has had universal checks except for direct family linage for some time now.
    I'm sorry, I did not realize this. How many gang members have you shot and killed inside your home?
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there are no such things as a check or even a capital sentence law that will accomplish that. you labor under the delusion that if legal avenues for buying guns are blocked, criminals won't get guns

    ever spend say 5 seconds studying the war on drugs or prohibition
    I have. Tell me, which drug is more common, alcohol or cocaine? Alcohol or heroin? Which is more common? Which one is illegal?

    I always love when people talk about the war on drugs when discussing gun bans. Mostly because their argument is always flawed by the fact cocaine consumption is a mere fraction of alcohol consumption.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you'd be wrong. Carlos Hathcock with a bolt action rifle killed a score of NVA armed with fully automatic assault rifles. speed is nice but accuracy is fatal
    Whoa whoa whoa...are you telling me one DOESN'T need a handgun or a semi-automatic "assault rifle" to defend oneself?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    people who want to stamp out breast cancer truly want to do that

    people who want to restrict guns are generally lying about their true motivations

    its about punishing politically enemies not making us safer


    What's it like to live in such paranoia?

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    How exactly this any different? In this case, the mother is being given exposure to ask people to advance the cause she believes in. In my example, the mother is being given exposure to ask people to advance the cause she believes in. It's the same thing, except you want cancer ended and you don't want gun ownership ended. Which brings me back to how I think it has nothing to do with the fact she's given the chance to speak, but rather the fact people don't like her message.

    I'll call it exactly like it is, this is a case where the President gave the opportunity for a private citizen to advance a cause she feels very strongly about, in an effort to put a human face on legislation the President feels very strongly about, in an effort to convince people to believe as he does. People in this thread act as if this is some new development, as if politicians haven't been doing this for years and years. This is something which has gone on for the longest time.

    I'm sorry, I did not realize this. How many gang members have you shot and killed inside your home?
    I have. Tell me, which drug is more common, alcohol or cocaine? Alcohol or heroin? Which is more common? Which one is illegal?

    I always love when people talk about the war on drugs when discussing gun bans. Mostly because their argument is always flawed by the fact cocaine consumption is a mere fraction of alcohol consumption.

    Whoa whoa whoa...are you telling me one DOESN'T need a handgun or a semi-automatic "assault rifle" to defend oneself?



    What's it like to live in such paranoia?
    the paranoia I see is that from those who are terrified of law abiding people owning guns



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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the paranoia I see is that from those who are terrified of law abiding people owning guns
    Why would anyone be terrified of law abiding gun owners? That doesn't make sense. It's when people use guns for illegal actions which is what causes concern. Which is why people like me want to make it difficult for people like them to have a gun.

    You, on the other hand, live in paranoia that everyone who is working for a safer America is only doing so to enslave you. As opposed to the more rational thought, which is to make America safer.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the paranoia I see is that from those who are terrified of law abiding people owning guns
    Sites like this one have long been rife with self induced paranoia from posters - and that would include yourself who has said so many times- who strongly object to almost any gun laws because they believe that the real motivation is a total ban down the road. That is indeed paranoia.
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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you'd be wrong. Carlos Hathcock with a bolt action rifle killed a score of NVA armed with fully automatic assault rifles. speed is nice but accuracy is fatal
    precisely. Anyone dumb enough to pit an uzi against an M4 will die 3-400 meters out.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Why would anyone be terrified of law abiding gun owners? That doesn't make sense. It's when people use guns for illegal actions which is what causes concern. Which is why people like me want to make it difficult for people like them to have a gun.

    You, on the other hand, live in paranoia that everyone who is working for a safer America is only doing so to enslave you. As opposed to the more rational thought, which is to make America safer.
    We are fine with making America safer. That is why we want more law abiding gun owners. Because the notion that prohibition or registration or background checks will somehow stop the crazies is implausible, and we would prefer a solution that works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    We are fine with making America safer. That is why we want more law abiding gun owners.
    We have no problem with that. We want to eliminate the illegal gun owners. Those who truly want a gun for responsible purposes should have no problem with background checks. They should have no problem with required training to obtain a gun. They should have no problem with their guns being registered.

    I don't have any problems with law abiding gun owners, as I've said multiple times in multiple threads, I grew up in a home with a law abiding gun enthusiast.

    Because the notion that prohibition or registration or background checks will somehow stop the crazies is implausible, and we would prefer a solution that works.
    The more obstacles you can place in front of people who are whimsical in their desire to own a gun, the fewer people you will have running around pointing guns in other people's faces. The more checks you put in front of straw buyers, the fewer guns will be in the hands of irresponsible people.

    Responsible and law abiding gun owners SHOULD support these type of measures. "Crazies", as you have called them, make the rest of you look bad. I would think you'd work for a way to try and stamp down the crazies from reflecting poorly on you, rather than doing everything you can to make sure they can keep getting guns and keep harming people.

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    re: Mother of Sandy Hook Victim Delivers White House Weekly Address.....[W322]

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    How exactly this any different? In this case, the mother is being given exposure to ask people to advance the cause she believes in. In my example, the mother is being given exposure to ask people to advance the cause she believes in. It's the same thing, except you want cancer ended and you don't want gun ownership ended. Which brings me back to how I think it has nothing to do with the fact she's given the chance to speak, but rather the fact people don't like her message.

    I'll call it exactly like it is, this is a case where the President gave the opportunity for a private citizen to advance a cause she feels very strongly about, in an effort to put a human face on legislation the President feels very strongly about, in an effort to convince people to believe as he does. People in this thread act as if this is some new development, as if politicians haven't been doing this for years and years. This is something which has gone on for the longest time.

    I'm sorry, I did not realize this. How many gang members have you shot and killed inside your home?
    I have. Tell me, which drug is more common, alcohol or cocaine? Alcohol or heroin? Which is more common? Which one is illegal?

    I always love when people talk about the war on drugs when discussing gun bans. Mostly because their argument is always flawed by the fact cocaine consumption is a mere fraction of alcohol consumption.

    Whoa whoa whoa...are you telling me one DOESN'T need a handgun or a semi-automatic "assault rifle" to defend oneself?



    What's it like to live in such paranoia?
    I have to deal with the thugs and I will leave the matter as method and numbers and times opaque. Not that the numbers matter just once is enough. I live in the meth capitol of the world apparently. I've been trying to encourage the thugs it would be better if they didn't come into my neck of the woods at all. That's not paranoia that's reality were I live.
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