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    Re: Ron Paul to launch foreign policy institute

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    That's exactly what they were. If you have a different view, post it now.
    Neoconservatism is most succinctly (though not comprehensively) described as a school of thought which endorses Democratic Peace Theory, believes in the application of US military force for moral purposes, and simultaneously believes that the spread of democracy is in the strategic interests of the United States as it expands democratic hegemony and increases global peace. It has its modern political origins in the class of politicians and thinkers who believed that a more moral political stand had to be taken against the Soviet Union and totalitarian regimes during the Cold War.

    Neoconservatism is not a Jewish conspiracy with an eye towards defending Israel, that is very silly.

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    Re: Ron Paul to launch foreign policy institute

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    Neoconservatism is most succinctly (though not comprehensively) described as a school of thought which endorses Democratic Peace Theory, believes in the application of US military force for moral purposes, and simultaneously believes that the spread of democracy is in the strategic interests of the United States as it expands democratic hegemony and increases global peace. It has its modern political origins in the class of politicians and thinkers who believed that a more moral political stand had to be taken against the Soviet Union and totalitarian regimes during the Cold War.

    Neoconservatism is not a Jewish conspiracy with an eye towards defending Israel, that is very silly.
    No kidding. Does anyone else know about this?

    "Neoconservatism is an intellectual movement born in the 1960s inside the monthly review Commentary; Commentary is the journal of the American Jewish Committee, which replaced the Contemporay Jewish Record in 1945[1] · [2]. On the "theoretical" side of neoconservatism, most influent neoconservatives such as Norman Podhoretz and his son John, Irving Kristol and his son William, Donald Kagan and his son Robert, Paul Wolfowitz, Abram Schulsky, refer explicitely to the ideas in political philosophy of Leo Strauss, to such an extent that they describe themselves as "straussians".

    "Neoconservatism is also described as a faction of American conservatism that includes endorsement of political individualism, a welfare state, free markets and the "assertive" promotion of democracy, and American national interest in international affairs including by military means.[3][4] Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush had neoconservative advisors regarding military and foreign policies. During the George W. Bush administration, neoconservative officials of the Departments of Defense and State helped to plan and promote the Iraq War.[5]" Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Ron Paul to launch foreign policy institute

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    No kidding. Does anyone else know about this?

    "Neoconservatism is an intellectual movement born in the 1960s inside the monthly review Commentary; Commentary is the journal of the American Jewish Committee, which replaced the Contemporay Jewish Record in 1945[1] · [2]. On the "theoretical" side of neoconservatism, most influent neoconservatives such as Norman Podhoretz and his son John, Irving Kristol and his son William, Donald Kagan and his son Robert, Paul Wolfowitz, Abram Schulsky, refer explicitely to the ideas in political philosophy of Leo Strauss, to such an extent that they describe themselves as "straussians".

    "Neoconservatism is also described as a faction of American conservatism that includes endorsement of political individualism, a welfare state, free markets and the "assertive" promotion of democracy, and American national interest in international affairs including by military means.[3][4] Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush had neoconservative advisors regarding military and foreign policies. During the George W. Bush administration, neoconservative officials of the Departments of Defense and State helped to plan and promote the Iraq War.[5]" Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    What you just posted contradicts what you said earlier, though I don't expect you'll ever admit that

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    Ron Paul should provide a definition for what a "Neoconservative" is.

    Neoconservatives were a small group of Jewish presidential advisors that believed the best way to protect their primary interest of Israel was to get the US involved in the Middle East, even if they did so by false flag operations. Liberal globalist George Bush was the perfect stooge for them.

    There is no such thing as a Neoconservative movement or trend and the term has absolutely nothing to do with traditional American Conservatives. It is limited entirely to Israel focused Jews, who attempted to appear mainstream by attaching the word Conservative to their Israel protectionism.
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    Re: Ron Paul to launch foreign policy institute

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    No kidding. Does anyone else know about this?

    "Neoconservatism is an intellectual movement born in the 1960s inside the monthly review Commentary; Commentary is the journal of the American Jewish Committee, which replaced the Contemporay Jewish Record in 1945[1] · [2]. On the "theoretical" side of neoconservatism, most influent neoconservatives such as Norman Podhoretz and his son John, Irving Kristol and his son William, Donald Kagan and his son Robert, Paul Wolfowitz, Abram Schulsky, refer explicitely to the ideas in political philosophy of Leo Strauss, to such an extent that they describe themselves as "straussians".

    "Neoconservatism is also described as a faction of American conservatism that includes endorsement of political individualism, a welfare state, free markets and the "assertive" promotion of democracy, and American national interest in international affairs including by military means.[3][4] Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush had neoconservative advisors regarding military and foreign policies. During the George W. Bush administration, neoconservative officials of the Departments of Defense and State helped to plan and promote the Iraq War.[5]" Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Yes, it is widely known. You should read through the wikipedia article you cited, moreover your own quotes re-iterate what I said. You should take a look at Dictatorships and Double Standards it is the earliest foundational work of modern neoconservative thought written by Jeane Kilpatrick (Dictatorships and Double Standards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

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    Re: Ron Paul to launch foreign policy institute

    And of course, there is this false flag operation: USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You guys should quit while you're behind.

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    Re: Ron Paul to launch foreign policy institute

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    And of course, there is this false flag operation: USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You guys should quit while you're behind.
    The terrible accidental attack was investigated repeatedly and exhaustively. There was no "false flag operation." The attack was not deliberate.

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    Re: Ron Paul to launch foreign policy institute

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    And of course, there is this false flag operation: USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    You guys should quit while you're behind.
    Does it bother you that no-one outside your conspiracy band will ever share your narrative of the world?

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    Re: Ron Paul to launch foreign policy institute

    Does Paul have a passport, and does it have any stamps in it?
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    Re: Ron Paul to launch foreign policy institute

    Isolationism is a foreign policy the same way abstinence only is sex education.
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    Re: Ron Paul to launch foreign policy institute

    The NeoConsevative mix of Democratic Peace Theory/Pax Americana/Military Industrial Complex as way of achieving world peace differs greatly from the ideas of Kant, pre-emptive wars which were seen under the Bush Doctrine to install a democracy have had mixed results and I would argue have not been worth the costs of bringing them into being.

    John F Kennedy spoke against this Pax Americana in his American university commencement address in 1963 calling for a genuine peace based on mutual respect and strenghthening the United Nations into an effective tool for world peace with the US to lead by example:

    "Let us focus instead on a more practical, more attainable peace, based not on a sudden revolution in human nature but on a gradual evolution in human institutions -- on a series of concrete actions and effective agreements which are in the interest of all concerned. There is no single, simple key to this peace; no grand or magic formula to be adopted by one or two powers. Genuine peace must be the product of many nations, the sum of many acts. It must be dynamic, not static, changing to meet the challenge of each new generation. For peace is a process -- a way of solving problems.

    With such a peace, there will still be quarrels and conflicting interests, as there are within families and nations. World peace, like community peace, does not require that each man love his neighbor, it requires only that they live together in mutual tolerance, submitting their disputes to a just and peaceful settlement. And history teaches us that enmities between nations, as between individuals, do not last forever. However fixed our likes and dislikes may seem, the tide of time and events will often bring surprising changes in the relations between nations and neighbors. So let us persevere. Peace need not be impracticable, and war need not be inevitable. By defining our goal more clearly, by making it seem more manageable and less remote, we can help all people to see it, to draw hope from it, and to move irresistibly towards it."

    Dwight Eisenhower also critcised this militarstic war thirst way of achieving peace:

    "Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.

    Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.

    Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment."

    Instead Neoconservatives believe in starting wars in the hope of changing the world map to suit their goals. They also show a lack of concern with international consensus through organizations such as the United Nations. "it is a distinct political movement that emphasizes the blending of military power with Wilsonian idealism"

    "Neoconservatism holds the domestic and international sphere to a clear moral and ideological standard and champions the use of militarism to further that standard globally. It does not ignore soft power issues, but rather, “when your only tool is a hammer, all problems look like nails” (Fukuyama 2006: 63).

    "Neoconservatism did not accurately perceive American military power, the power of democratisation, or the failure of the world’s population to accept its ideological persuasion in the midst of convincing evidence to the contrary, particularly as things turned sour in Iraq. It seems that far from playing the final act in the end of history, the neoconservative persuasion has caused a crisis of legitimacy in the global system. American power is no longer seen as legitimate by many."

    Neoconservatism and American Foreign Policy

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